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although if the Moldovans want to have their language identified as Romanian…</span><span
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Let’s be clear: ISO 639 doesn’t give “Romanian”
­_<i>as an identifier</i>_. It gives “ro” / “ron” /
“rum” as identifiers for the language alternately referred to (in
English) as “Moldavian” or “Romanian”. The use of tags
with “ro” does not entail identifying the language as Romanian as
opposed to Moldavian.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no
[mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no] <b>On Behalf Of </b>CE Whitehead<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 26, 2008 10:07 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> ietf-languages@iana.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Questions on ISO 639-3<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Thanks, Addison; I think the regional
prefixes have been suggested before.<br>
<br>
My only concern is that--as Addison points out--the division between the
dialects does not quite fall on political boundaries; and I still think it
is very difficult to get around political issues when assigning these subtags,
although if the Moldovans want to have their language identified as Romanian,
then that is fine with me; however if they decided they want a variant subtag,
I would leaning towards o.k.-ing it, but I will not go and apply for one.<br>
<br>
--C. E. Whitehead<br>
<a href="mailto:cewcathar@hotmail.com">cewcathar@hotmail.com</a><br>
<br>
<br>
From: addison@amazon.com<br>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:52:57 -0800<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>> The difference between “Moldavian” and
“Romanian” can be accounted for using a region subtag (since
Moldova and Romania > were both countries last time I looked). The use of a
region subtag does not imply that the language thus referred to stops </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>> exactly where the international frontier is currently
located. There is no need to invent variants.</span><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>O.k. ( Although you are right the division is not going to
fall right on political borders in this case;</span><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>and of course, why then was the variant,</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>scotland<br>
Description: Scottish Standard English<br>
Added: 2007-08-31<br>
Prefix: en</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>needed?</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Seems a bit inconsistent to me; that's all.)</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>> Addison</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>> Addison Phillips</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Globalization Architect -- Lab126</span><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Internationalization is not a feature.</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>It is an architecture.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no
[mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no] <b>On Behalf Of </b>CE Whitehead<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 25, 2008 10:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> ietf-languages@iana.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Questions on ISO 639-3</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Hi!
<br>
<br>
I think what Kent is saying here has some merit; but for Moldavian, it seems
that if someone wants to identify the differences between spoken Moldavian and
Romanian, a variant subtag would be an option. . . & that's all this list
can offer, too, in this matter (as far as I understand
things). There is no need to identify the written differences.<br>
<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
<br>
C. E. Whitehead<br>
<a href="mailto:cewcathar@hotmail.com">cewcathar@hotmail.com</a><br>
<i>Kent Karlsson kent.karlsson14 at comhem.se <br>
Sat Nov 22 10:54:39 CET 2008 </i><br>
<br>
<i><br>
> Den 2008-11-22 04.53, skrev "Peter Constable" <petercon at
microsoft.com>:<br>
<br>
>> <br>
>> (A purist solution, linguistically, would have been to deem Akan as an<br>
>> individual language and deem the others as dialects, hence out of
scope and<br>
>> worthy of deprecation. That seemed a bit drastic, however.)<br>
> Given the recent history with Moldavian in ISO 639, doing what you suggest<br>
> here does not seem to be too drastic.<br>
/kent k<br>
<br>
</i> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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