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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Michael:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>You can approve or reject a given request. However, if you
modify someone else’s request, you should probably grant that person or persons
the opportunity to respond. Those people’s names appear on the record, as yours
does not. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If they don’t approve, you can reject their request as
inadequate, citing reasons and saying what you would approve. The RFC provides
for and allows them to modify their request following a rejection to gain your
approval. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Personally, I am somewhat horrified by the idea that a requester
might vehemently object to an “edited” version of their request and that the
result might be registered with their name on it. Of course, anyone else,
including you, Michael, may submit and get registered a subtag that the original
requester disagrees with. You don’t have to register “just anything” and you
don’t have to approve Mark and Ihar’s request. But your alternative is not to
ignore their protests and press ahead. It is to reject their application.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Addison<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Addison Phillips<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Globalization Architect -- Lab126</span><span style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Internationalization is not a feature.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>It is an architecture.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no
[mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael
Everson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 23, 2008 10:15 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> ietflang IETF Languages Discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM (R4): pinyin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Let me put it another way.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>This has gone round and round and round and I find that the
string "1959acad" correctly and adequately describes the
non-Taraskievičian orthography (including whatever minor differenced there may
be between the 1933/1959/1985 versions). I find that "acade" and
"academ" and "akademik" are contentious and unsuitable. I
don't intend to approve a generic institutional tag, based on the very sensible
precedent we have with the Académie Française. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I have been unconvinced by the arguments against
"1959acad" and convinced by the arguments for it. So I would like to
approve "1959acad" without further discussion. I don't believe that
it will cause problems in the future. Either the eventual 2010 orthography will
be able to be subsumed under this (as 1985 and 1933 are) or it will require a
subtag of its own.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>M.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On 23 Sep 2008, at 17:36, Phillips, Addison wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>“approve”?</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The only people, as far as I can discern, who need to indicate
approval here are the original requesters. If they don’t agree with your changes
and you approve this request, they would be within their rights to appeal
(especially since their names are on it). Others may signal support or lack of
support for a given request, including this one, which may be used as evidence
of consensus by the reviewer in deciding to approve or reject it.</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Addison</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Addison Phillips</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Globalization Architect -- Lab126</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Internationalization is not a feature.</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>It is an architecture.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><a
href="mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no">ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>[<a
href="mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no">mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no</a>]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Michael Everson<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Tuesday, September
23, 2008 6:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>ietflang IETF
Languages Discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: LANGUAGE
SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM (R4): pinyin</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>I agree completely with Yury here.
I am convinced that 1959acad is the most suitable and appropriate subtag. I
urge you all to approve the compromise registration I put forward today.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>On 23 Sep 2008, at 12:14, Yury
Tarasievich wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Dear Mark and all protesters on
the lines of:<br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>The sources cited by Yury are NOT
restricted to 1959, and 1959 should<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>not be part of the subtag.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><br>
You are showing somewhat insufficient acquantaince with the subject at hand.<br>
<br>
The sources cited by me all refer to the *same* specific literary norm,<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
which was actually decreed on May 11, 1957 (!) as "changes and<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
corrections" to the previous norm, was introduced into the official use<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
on January 1, 1958 and into the schooling on September 1, 1958. However,<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
the first rulebook was published in 1959, and so the norm is popularly<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
and overwhelmingly associated with the year 1959. The academic editions<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
of the grammar came out later, and both those and the vocabularies are<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
re-published periodically in the new editions. The works on phonology<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
also relate to the literary norm discussed here, which is signified both<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
by the titles and by the introductions.<br>
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Now, it is precisely the "1959 norm" (or "1959 grammar" or
"1959<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
orthography"), as defined in quoted references, which is the actually<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
obliging, academic literary norm in the official use in Belarus in 2008<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
CE etc. etc. Only when (if) the changes decreed in 2008 become<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
officially part of the literary norm, then there will be possibly the<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
need of the 2010acad tag, and of referring to the "2010 norm" etc.<br>
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I wonder how this is so confusing. All these troubles with the<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
supposedly "unacceptional" nature of the 1959 part of the tag seem to
be<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
somewhat imaginary. As seen by me, of course.<br>
<br>
-Yury<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;
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