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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=146533613-09092008>Yes, this is so concerning "Language names" as well as
"Country names".</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=146533613-09092008>Moreover, concerning "Ainu", Wikipedia states that the
japanese version is also spoken in Eastern Russia, so that a language name like
"Ainu (Japon)" for this language could exactly be the beginning of an
unfortunate political imbroglio.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=146533613-09092008>Cordialement.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=146533613-09092008>Gérard LANG</SPAN></FONT></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>De :</B> Gerard Meijssen
[mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com] <BR><B>Envoyé :</B> mardi 9 septembre
2008 15:32<BR><B>À :</B> Lang Gérard<BR><B>Objet :</B> Re: ON
LANGUAGE NAMES /// RE: Results of Duplicate Busters Survey
#2//Ainu<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Hoi,<BR>If this is about politics, you will get a travesty that
has no practical meaning. If anything this is the route not to go. Such
political demands need to be
ignored.<BR>Thanks,<BR> Gerard<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Lang Gérard <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:gerard.lang@insee.fr">gerard.lang@insee.fr</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Yes Maybe,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>But
notwithstanding what SIL or ISO 639/RA-JAC does and thinks, there
is a political demand for "arab (country name)" as "language name", and it
will be much more difficult to explain that this is impossible if we begin
in this direction. In this kind of questions, it is not at all certain that:
</FONT></SPAN><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>"Il n'y a que le
premier pas qui coute"</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Gérard
LANG</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>De :</B> Gerard Meijssen [mailto:<A
href="mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com"
target=_blank>gerard.meijssen@gmail.com</A>] <BR><B>Envoyé :</B>
mardi 9 septembre 2008 15:05<BR><B>À :</B> Lang Gérard
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<DIV class=Wj3C7c><BR><B>Objet :</B> Re: ON LANGUAGE NAMES /// RE:
Results of Duplicate Busters Survey
#2//Ainu<BR></DIV></DIV></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Hoi,<BR>Have a look at what SIL has to say about Arabic
languages... they are not something like Arabic (some country name) this
makes sense because borders of countries are hardly appropriate for
distinguishing languages.<BR>Thanks,<BR>
Gerard<BR><BR><A
href="http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=ara"
target=_blank>http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=ara</A><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Lang Gérard <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:gerard.lang@insee.fr"
target=_blank>gerard.lang@insee.fr</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">I
do not know if my proposition solution is simpler, easier to understand
or more arbitrary that ISO 639/RA-JAC's one<BR>But, in my opinion, it is
more like a "language name" that adding a country name after a language
name.<BR>Moreover, if we begin in this direction, how will we explain
that we do not want to recognize language names like "arab (country
name)" for every arab speaking country ?<BR>Cordialement.<BR>
<DIV>Gérard LANG<BR><BR>-----Message d'origine-----<BR></DIV>De : Doug
Ewell [mailto:<A href="mailto:doug@ewellic.org"
target=_blank>doug@ewellic.org</A>]<BR>Envoyé : mardi 9 septembre 2008
14:10<BR>
<DIV>À : <A href="mailto:ietf-languages@iana.org"
target=_blank>ietf-languages@iana.org</A><BR></DIV>Cc : Lang
Gérard<BR>Objet : Re: ON LANGUAGE NAMES /// RE: Results of Duplicate
Busters Survey #2//Ainu<BR>
<DIV><BR>Lang Gérard <gerard dot lang at insee dot fr>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV>> My proposition would be:<BR>> If we have a complete
consensus, or even a sufficiently general<BR>> agreement, that there
are effectively two distinct languages, one<BR>> japanese and one
chiniese, could not we choose as language name, the<BR>> autonym
"Ainu" (considered as a phonetisation of the japanese language<BR>>
name ?) for the japanese language and, as language name, the
autonym<BR>> "Aynu" (considered as a phonetisation or romanization of
the chinese<BR>> language name ?) for the chinese language
?<BR><BR></DIV>But I repeat: in what way would this solution be simpler
or easier to comprehend, or less arbitrary, than adding country names in
parentheses, as ISO 639-3/RA has chosen to do?<BR>
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<DIV><BR>--<BR>Doug Ewell * Thornton, Colorado, USA *
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