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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Well, on July 30 and then again on Aug 2, Mark submitted forms
that had “zh-Latn”. On Aug 25 Mark submitted forms with “zh” and on Aug 26
Michael said “I approve”. It is not yet two weeks since the submission of forms
with “zh” – the mandatory review period extends to Sept 8; so it would be
premature for Michael to have already approved the requests submitted on Aug 25.
If those are already being processed with IANA, then I think there are valid
grounds for objection – and I would object.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no
[mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Phillips,
Addison<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 04, 2008 7:59 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Michael Everson; ietflang IETF Languages Discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM (R3): pinyin<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I’m confused here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>On August 26<sup>th</sup> Michael approved both pinyin and
wadegile as subtags. I specifically asked if this was formal approval and he
replied that it was, in fact, formal approval.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I would assume that he approved the then current registration
request, but I gather that the Prefix field subsequently caused him to
reconsider. Mark later that day submitted the current “R3” form.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Michael, do you NOT approve of the R3 form—the one we are
currently considering, which contains only the prefix ‘zh’? Would you approve
of one that includes both Prefix fields? Mark, are you withdrawing the R3
request in favor of a zh-latn request? If so, you should do so now, because
Michael can only (as I understand the rules) pronounce on a submitted request…
and that is the request currently being considered. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I also note that one course of action is specifically
prohibited: the prefix ‘zh’ cannot be *<b>replaced</b>* with the prefix
‘zh-latn’ (a narrowing). It can be supplemented with an additional prefix
‘zh-Latn’ (or ‘cmn-*’), but it can’t be replaced.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Addison<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Addison Phillips<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Globalization Architect -- Lab126<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Internationalization is not a feature.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>It is an architecture.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no
[mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael
Everson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 04, 2008 1:43 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> ietflang IETF Languages Discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM (R3): pinyin<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>On 4 Sep 2008, at 01:21, Peter Constable wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;
color:#144FAE'>As you say, he may reject something based on a single *<b>compelling</b>*
opinion, and that may happen to be his own; but IMO he must use that veto
ability very carefully so as to avoid conflict of interest: if indeed he alone
voices an objecting opinion against several others on the list, it would need
to be compelling indeed! The issue he raises in this case is, IMO, far from
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<p class=MsoNormal>The issue? Peter, please be clear when you write. Which
issue? &quot;The issue&quot; I raised is that &quot;pinyin&quot; and
&quot;wadegile&quot; are by default Latin because there are no other
possiblities of interpretation. Is that &quot;the issue&quot; to which you
refer? Because I don't believe you have demonstrated that what I have said is
incorrect. Nor have you demonstrated how your position (that &quot;Latn&quot;
must be included) is &quot;compelling&quot;.<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;
font-family:"-webkit-monospace","serif";color:black'>Michael Everson *&nbsp;<a
href="http://www.evertype.com/">http://www.evertype.com</a></span></span><span
style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Everson Mono","serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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