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<DIV><SPAN class=228054323-04082008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hmm,
no; I think one might want to deprecate a prefix *<STRONG>as a prefix</STRONG>*,
while not deprecate the prefix as such.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=228054323-04082008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT
color=#000000 size=3><BR>Type: variant<BR>Subtag: fubar<BR>Description:
Fubar<BR>Prefix: zh [DEPRECATED]</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=228054323-04082008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT
color=#000000 size=3>Prefix: cmn</FONT><BR></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=228054323-04082008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>while
not deprecating the language subtag zh as such.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=228054323-04082008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2> /kent k</DIV></FONT></SPAN><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no
[mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Mark
Davis<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 05, 2008 1:27 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Broome,
Karen<BR><B>Cc:</B> Frank Ellermann;
ietf-languages@alvestrand.no<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: LANGUAGE SUBTAG
REGISTRATION FORM: pinyin<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Here would be a (made up) example.<BR><BR>In 2005, the following
gets added<BR><BR><PRE>%%<BR>Type: variant<BR>Subtag: fubar<BR>Description: Fubar<BR>Added: 2006-09-18<BR>Prefix: sr-CS<BR>Comments: Fubar dialect of Serbian used only in CS<BR>
</PRE>Now, later on in 2005, CS gets deprecated as below.<BR><BR><PRE>%%<BR>Type: region<BR>Subtag: CS<BR>Description: Serbia and Montenegro<BR>Added: 2005-10-16<BR>Deprecated: 2006-10-05<BR>Comments: see RS for Serbia or ME for Montenegro</PRE>At
this point, it is unnecessary to have structure to mark sr-CS as being a
deprecated prefix of fubar, since a record that that prefix points (CS) to has
been deprecated. What would be necessary, however, is to add either "sr-RS" or
"sr-ME", or even "sr" as prefixes of fubar so that it would have some valid
prefixes.<BR><BR clear=all>Mark<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Broome, Karen <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:Karen_Broome@spe.sony.com">Karen_Broome@spe.sony.com</A>></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">If you deprecate X
in the example below and not Y, can you give me an example of the IANA
Registry Record for this scenario?</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Karen</SPAN></P>
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<P><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A href="mailto:mark.edward.davis@gmail.com"
target=_blank>mark.edward.davis@gmail.com</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:mark.edward.davis@gmail.com"
target=_blank>mark.edward.davis@gmail.com</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Mark
Davis<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 04, 2008 4:07 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Broome,
Karen<BR><B>Cc:</B> Frank Ellermann; <A
href="mailto:ietf-languages@alvestrand.no"
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<DIV class=Wj3C7c><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM:
pinyin</DIV></DIV></SPAN>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">There is no structure in 4646 or 4646bis for
deprecating a prefix X for a subtag Y. However, the same effect would be
achieved by just deprecating X, so I don't think we need such
structure.<BR><BR clear=all>Mark<BR><BR></P>
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<P>On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Broome, Karen <<A
href="mailto:Karen_Broome@spe.sony.com"
target=_blank>Karen_Broome@spe.sony.com</A>> wrote:</P>
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<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Hmm. But deprecation
occurs on the entire record. Is there a way to indicate that a single prefix
is deprecated but not the tag? If we can add prefixes later, we ought to be
able to deprecate them too. But I'm not sure how we'd do this in the current
structure.</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Karen</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"></SPAN> </P>
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<P><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
href="mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no"
target=_blank>ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no"
target=_blank>ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no</A>] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Mark Davis<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 04, 2008 3:53 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
Frank Ellermann</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR><B>Cc:</B> <A
href="mailto:ietf-languages@alvestrand.no"
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<P><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re: LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM:
pinyin</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">No. According to the RFC, we can add other
prefixes later.<BR><BR clear=all>Mark</P>
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<P>On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Frank Ellermann <<A
href="mailto:nobody@xyzzy.claranet.de"
target=_blank>nobody@xyzzy.claranet.de</A>> wrote:</P>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">Randy Presuhn wrote:<BR><BR>> "why didn't
they use '-pinyin'?"</P></DIV>
<P>Just a theoretical thought, if we take -pinyin with prefix<BR>zh-Latn-
now there's no way to get rid of the prefix later.<BR><BR>So if folks later
want "pinyin" with prefix cmn-Latn- and<BR>others, but without zh-Latn-,
they'd be forced to invent<BR>a new variant, say -pinyin2, and that would
allow them to<BR>deprecate -pinyin in favour of -pinyin2.<BR><BR>If that is
exactly what you want (later, when cmn exists),<BR>you could use -pinyin1
now, and deprecate it in favour of<BR>the later "real" -pinyin with the
"real" prefix cmn-Latn-<BR>instead of the slightly "unreal" zh-Latn-pinyin1
possible<BR>today.<BR><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(136,136,136)"><BR> Frank</SPAN></P>
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