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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>+1. The only reason to “deprecate” a Prefix is because the
subtag itself is deprecated (you can’t really deprecate an [informative]
prefix---either it can be used or it can’t). If we’re going to deprecate ‘zh’,
we’ll have to do it in draft-4646bis, since I rather doubt ISO 639 is going to
withdraw or deprecate it. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I sense that this thread verges on being an LTRU topic.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Addison<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Addison Phillips<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Globalization Architect -- Lab126</span><span style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Internationalization is not a feature.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>It is an architecture.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no
[mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Davis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 04, 2008 6:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Broome, Karen<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ietf-languages@alvestrand.no; Kent Karlsson<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM: pinyin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>My example was apparently not
clear. You wouldn't deprecate the record containing the prefix, you'd be
deprecating some subtag that is contained in the prefix.<br>
<br clear=all>
Mark<br>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Broome, Karen <<a
href="mailto:Karen_Broome@spe.sony.com">Karen_Broome@spe.sony.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>This is the real use case, I
believe. In a one-to-many relationship between the record and the number of
prefixes, individual prefixes would need to be deprecated, not the whole
record. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Karen</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no" target="_blank">ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no" target="_blank">ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kent Karlsson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 04, 2008 4:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ietf-languages@alvestrand.no" target="_blank">ietf-languages@alvestrand.no</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM: pinyin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>Hmm, no; I think one might want to
deprecate a prefix *<b>as a prefix</b>*, while not deprecate the prefix as
such.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='color:black'><br>
Type: variant<br>
Subtag: fubar<br>
Description: Fubar<br>
Prefix: zh [DEPRECATED]</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='color:black'>Prefix: cmn</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>while not deprecating the language
subtag zh as such.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'> /kent k</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no"
target="_blank">ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no</a> [mailto:<a
href="mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no" target="_blank">ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Davis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 05, 2008 1:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Broome, Karen<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Frank Ellermann; <a href="mailto:ietf-languages@alvestrand.no"
target="_blank">ietf-languages@alvestrand.no</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM: pinyin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Here would be a (made up) example.<br>
<br>
In 2005, the following gets added<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>%%<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Type: variant<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Subtag: fubar<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Description: Fubar<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Added: 2006-09-18<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Prefix: sr-CS<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Comments: Fubar dialect of Serbian used only in CS<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></pre>
<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Now, later on in 2005, CS gets deprecated
as below.<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>%%<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Type: region<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Subtag: CS<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Description: Serbia and Montenegro<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Added: 2005-10-16<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Deprecated: 2006-10-05<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Comments: see RS for Serbia or ME for Montenegro<o:p></o:p></pre>
<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>At this point, it is unnecessary to have structure
to mark sr-CS as being a deprecated prefix of fubar, since a record that that
prefix points (CS) to has been deprecated. What would be necessary, however, is
to add either "sr-RS" or "sr-ME", or even "sr" as
prefixes of fubar so that it would have some valid prefixes.<br>
<br clear=all>
Mark<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Broome, Karen <<a
href="mailto:Karen_Broome@spe.sony.com" target="_blank">Karen_Broome@spe.sony.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>If you deprecate X in the
example below and not Y, can you give me an example of the IANA Registry Record
for this scenario?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Karen</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:mark.edward.davis@gmail.com" target="_blank">mark.edward.davis@gmail.com</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:mark.edward.davis@gmail.com" target="_blank">mark.edward.davis@gmail.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Davis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 04, 2008 4:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Broome, Karen<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Frank Ellermann; <a href="mailto:ietf-languages@alvestrand.no"
target="_blank">ietf-languages@alvestrand.no</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM: pinyin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>There is no structure in 4646 or 4646bis for
deprecating a prefix X for a subtag Y. However, the same effect would be
achieved by just deprecating X, so I don't think we need such structure.<br>
<br clear=all>
Mark<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Broome, Karen <<a
href="mailto:Karen_Broome@spe.sony.com" target="_blank">Karen_Broome@spe.sony.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Hmm. But deprecation occurs on
the entire record. Is there a way to indicate that a single prefix is deprecated
but not the tag? If we can add prefixes later, we ought to be able to deprecate
them too. But I'm not sure how we'd do this in the current structure.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Karen</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no" target="_blank">ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no" target="_blank">ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Davis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 04, 2008 3:53 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Frank Ellermann</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ietf-languages@alvestrand.no" target="_blank">ietf-languages@alvestrand.no</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'> Re: LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM: pinyin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>No. According to the RFC, we can add other
prefixes later.<br>
<br clear=all>
Mark<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Frank Ellermann <<a
href="mailto:nobody@xyzzy.claranet.de" target="_blank">nobody@xyzzy.claranet.de</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Randy Presuhn wrote:<br>
<br>
> "why didn't they use '-pinyin'?"<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Just a theoretical thought, if we take -pinyin with prefix<br>
zh-Latn- now there's no way to get rid of the prefix later.<br>
<br>
So if folks later want "pinyin" with prefix cmn-Latn- and<br>
others, but without zh-Latn-, they'd be forced to invent<br>
a new variant, say -pinyin2, and that would allow them to<br>
deprecate -pinyin in favour of -pinyin2.<br>
<br>
If that is exactly what you want (later, when cmn exists),<br>
you could use -pinyin1 now, and deprecate it in favour of<br>
the later "real" -pinyin with the "real" prefix cmn-Latn-<br>
instead of the slightly "unreal" zh-Latn-pinyin1 possible<br>
today.<br>
<span style='color:#888888'><br>
Frank</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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