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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Are you suggesting that if a document is entirely in (say)
hiragana I shouldn’t tag it ja-Hira because Hira is considered a subset of Japn
and Japn is to be suppressed?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no
[mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Davis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Addison Phillips<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Randy Presuhn; ietf-languages@iana.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Suppress-Script for Korean?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>As I noted earlier, we have precedent for this: Japn for
Japanese. The same basic principles apply. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>Suppress-Script should be supplied when it would
be very uncommon in modern usage for the language to be written in text
not encompassed by the script. <o:p></o:p></li>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>In the case of Japn or Kore, it
would be very uncommon for Japanese to be written in scripts outside of Japn
(Han, Katakana, or Hiragana); in the case of Korean, it would be very uncommon
for Korean to be written in scripts outside of Kore (Han or Hang). <br>
<br>
Mark<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmailquote>On 7/24/07, <b>Addison Phillips</b>
<<a href="mailto:addison@yahoo-inc.com">addison@yahoo-inc.com</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>'Kore' is a new subtag. 'Hang' has existed for awhile. And I
suspect but<br>
cannot prove that many Koreans will think of their language as being<br>
written in the Hangul script, whether it is purely Hangul or not. <br>
<br>
If we suppress the wrong script, users might think that they have to<br>
identify "other" scripts, like 'Hang', by default. I think we should
be<br>
very judicious about what we suppress, especially when there can be <br>
confusion. Besides, I'm not sure what adding 'Kore' achieves.<br>
<br>
Addison<br>
<br>
Randy Presuhn wrote:<br>
> Hi -<br>
><br>
>> From: "Addison Phillips" <<a
href="mailto:addison@yahoo-inc.com"> addison@yahoo-inc.com</a>><br>
>> To: "Doug Ewell" <<a href="mailto:dewell@roadrunner.com">dewell@roadrunner.com</a>><br>
>> Cc: <<a href="mailto:ietf-languages@iana.org">ietf-languages@iana.org
</a>><br>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:18 AM<br>
>> Subject: Re: Suppress-Script for Korean?<br>
>><br>
>>> Are there any objections to adding 'Kore' as a Suppress-Script for
the<br>
>> > Korean language?<br>
>><br>
>> Yes. RFC 4646 only permits a single script to be suppressed. 'Kore' and<br>
>> 'Hang' both seem appropriate for suppression. Since it doesn't seem to
<br>
>> be a big problem and plenty of languages don't suppress their scripts,
I<br>
>> don't think we should add it at this time.<br>
> ...<br>
><br>
> I think "Kore" is the appropriate choice for suppression. In
the abstract, <br>
> this might seem odd because the "Hang" is a proper subset of
"Kore."<br>
> However, if we think about the practical contexts of when something would<br>
> be delibrately written only using "Hang," (rather than merely
happening to <br>
> have only "Hang" characters) I think the conclusion is that
"Hang"<br>
> is indeed the "marked" case.<br>
><br>
> Since there already is a substantial body of tagged Korean text with no <br>
> script subtag, and Korean texts of any substantial length are
overwhelmingly<br>
> "Kore", this seems to be exactly what Suppress-Script was
intended to cover.<br>
><br>
> Randy<br>
><br>
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<br>
--<br>
Addison Phillips<br>
Globalization Architect -- Yahoo! Inc.<br>
Chair -- W3C Internationalization Core WG<br>
<br>
Internationalization is an architecture.<br>
It is not a feature.<br>
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