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<DIV><SPAN class=087435608-14062007><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" color=#0000ff
size=2>I agree with Mark here.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=087435608-14062007><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" color=#0000ff
size=2>With this change, the use recommendation effectively hasn't changed, but
the coverage has,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=087435608-14062007><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" color=#0000ff
size=2>and it has changed in a way to make it inherently
unstable.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=087435608-14062007><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=087435608-14062007><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" color=#0000ff
size=2>I see two ways of dealing with this:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=087435608-14062007><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" color=#0000ff
size=2>1) Ignore the change, and let the coverage still be "all languages" (one
a a time).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=087435608-14062007><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" color=#0000ff
size=2>2) Deprecate 'mis', and use 'und' ("all languages (or not a language)")
in its place (despite the different intention).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=087435608-14062007><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" color=#0000ff
size=2> /kent k</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no
[mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Mark
Davis<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 14, 2007 6:10 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Peter
Constable<BR><B>Cc:</B> John Cowan; iso639-2@loc.gov; Håvard Hjulstad;
isojac@loc.gov; ietf-languages@iana.org; iso639@dkuug.dk<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis"<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>'mis' is thus a complete abomination. Why on earth should we not
deprecate it? That does not prevent it from being used -- we can't do that for
stability's sake -- but does give as strong a warning as we can. <BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 6/13/07, <B class=gmail_sendername>Peter
Constable</B> <<A
href="mailto:petercon@microsoft.com">petercon@microsoft.com</A>>
wrote:</SPAN>
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<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">As I've suggested
before, 'mis' has always been inherently unstable.</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Peter</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"></SPAN> </P>
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<P><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no"
target=_blank>ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no</A> [mailto:<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no"
target=_blank>ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no</A>] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Mark Davis<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:55
PM<BR><B>To:</B> John Cowan<BR><B>Cc:</B> <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:ietf-languages@iana.org"
target=_blank>ietf-languages@iana.org</A>; <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:iso639-2@loc.gov" target=_blank>iso639-2@loc.gov</A>; Håvard
Hjulstad; <A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:isojac@loc.gov" target=_blank>isojac@loc.gov</A>; <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:iso639@dkuug.dk"
target=_blank>iso639@dkuug.dk</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: ISO 639-2 decision:
"mis"</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">This is a mixed bag. On the one hand, it is
great to finally get some clarity on the intended meaning for the future. On
the other hand, it means that this code's meaning is intrinsically intended
to narrow over time; as each new code is added, its meaning narrows to cover
fewer situations. This is inherently *unstable*, and unsuitable for any
situation that demands stability, like BCP 47. <BR><BR>Note that this still
does not allow a narrowing of "mis" in BCP 47. However, for this case I
think it makes the case strong enough for completely deprecating "mis" in
BCP 47bis.<BR><BR>Mark</P>
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<P><SPAN>On 6/13/07, <B>John Cowan</B> <<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:cowan@ccil.org" target=_blank>cowan@ccil.org</A>>
wrote:</SPAN></P>
<P>Håvard Hjulstad scripsit:<BR><BR>> The identifier mis,
which has been part of ISO 639-2 since its<BR>> publication in 1998, has
its scope changed from collective to special<BR>>
purpose.<BR>><BR>> The previously assigned "names" in English and
French were <BR>> "miscellaneous languages" and "diverses, langues".
These "names"<BR>> have been changed to uncoded languages and langues non
codées.<BR><BR>Hurrah!<BR><BR>--<BR>In my last
lifetime, John
Cowan <BR>I believed in
reincarnation; <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://www.ccil.org/%7Ecowan"
target=_blank>http://www.ccil.org/~cowan</A><BR>in this
lifetime,
<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:cowan@ccil.org" target=_blank>cowan@ccil.org</A> <BR>I
don't. --Thiagi<BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Ietf-languages
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<P><BR><BR clear=all><BR>-- <BR>Mark
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