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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I say your programming code example is a boundary case in the
sense that I don’t expect to see .cxx, .h, etc. files tagged with language tags
any time soon, and I don’t expect to see a book on programming concepts tagged
as anything other than en, no matter how many pages of source code samples it
has. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>(Granted, in an XML representation of that book there may be a
question as to how individual elements should be tagged, but it’s not clear to
me in that scenario what difference it really makes whether you have <code sample
xml:lang=”en”> or <code sample xml:lang=”zxx”> or <code sample
xml:lang=”und”> or <code sample xml:lang=””> or whatever.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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mark.edward.davis@gmail.com [mailto:mark.edward.davis@gmail.com] <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Mark Davis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 20, 2007 8:59 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Peter Constable<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ietf-languages@alvestrand.no; ltru@lists.ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ltru] Re: "mis" update review request<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I don't think the programming
language fragment is really a boundary condition. Most code source nowadays are
not just random hex, there typically, not exceptionally, some real linguistic
content. I would agree with you that a hex dump of a <i>compiled</i> program,
such as perhaps you used for your example, is sensible to tag as zxx, but based
on the wording of the standards, I don't think we can expect zxx to apply to typical
code source. Yet, while there may be is some embedded English, we don't want to
call it "en" either. <br>
<br>
It looks to me like the best choice <i>currently </i>would be "und";
as I said, I think it might be useful to have a special tag for this just
because it is a reasonably common case that is otherwise difficult to
categorize. An alternative would be to <i>explicitly </i>broaden the
description of "zxx" to be "no linguistic content, or
programming source code". That would be a compatible change to 4646bis,
since it is a broadening. <br>
<br>
Mark<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmailquote>On 4/20/07, <b>Peter Constable</b>
<<a href="mailto:petercon@microsoft.com">petercon@microsoft.com</a>>
wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'> Mark Davis [mailto:<a
href="mailto:mark.davis@icu-project.org" target="_blank">mark.davis@icu-project.org</a>]
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'>> </span></b>As in
example #9 of <a href="http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dfqr8rd5_11g425c9"
target="_blank">http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dfqr8rd5_11g425c9 </a>, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>> </span>to think that the
following contains "no linguistic content" is bizarre. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>> </span>It obviously
contains linguistic content.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>if (linguisticContent == null) { throw new Exception(""); }<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>You
could say the same of this:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>MZ
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Tbï› <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>È7ÅïÈ <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>È7ÅüÈ <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>È7ÅúÈ<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>€ÈÉ <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>È7ÅìÈ3 <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>È7ÅýÈ <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>È7ÅùÈ <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>ÈRich <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>We
could probably come up with all kinds of boundary cases for which there is no
"right" answer. I don't know what use it would be.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Peter</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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