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<DIV><SPAN class=044581116-12112006></SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2><SPAN class=044581116-12112006>Coming into this a little late in the
day... so I may have missed something</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT
size=2></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2>M<SPAN
class=044581116-12112006>ark wrote:</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=044581116-12112006></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=044581116-12112006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2> > </FONT></SPAN>15924 does not encode just scripts, it also
has variants and aliases, such as:<BR><SPAN class=044581116-12112006><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> <FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000
size=3>></FONT> </FONT></SPAN>Cyrs, Latf, Latg, Hans, Hant, Syre, Syrj,
Syrn<SPAN class=044581116-12112006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>
</FONT></SPAN>Hrkt, Jpan<SPAN class=044581116-12112006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=044581116-12112006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=044581116-12112006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>If the
totality of any one of these script (variant) tags can be represented by
another (single) script tag (and by that I mean all the characters represented
within the "variant" are also in another single script tag) then there is
precedent for an application to the ISO 15924 RA to register Latp. As far
as I can see from the discussion this is a different application to those that
have already been presented to the RA and the JAC in this respect (please
correct me if I am wrong).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=044581116-12112006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=044581116-12112006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>However, I do have some sympathy with Michael as I don't like to see
International Standards bending from their scope too much and script
variants would seem to be out of scope of the standard itself. I
haven't seen much of a response to Michael's proposal for <FONT size=2></DIV>
<P>"en-GB-fonipa"</P>
<DIV></FONT> I would like to know exactly what are the preceived problems
with this proposal? </DIV>
<DIV></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=044581116-12112006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=044581116-12112006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>best
regards</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=044581116-12112006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=044581116-12112006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Debbie
Garside</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=044581116-12112006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=044581116-12112006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=044581116-12112006></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=044581116-12112006> </SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">The
inclusion of IPA as a variant script of Latin is little different from the
distinction between Hans and Hant; both are primarily differences in selection
of characters from UCS. The difference between English written in IPA vs
regular Latin characters is certainly on the order of the difference between
Chinese written in Hans vs Hant, if not more so. It would be of great benefit
to users of IPA to be able to tag data with a variant script code, and little
pragmatic reason not to allow that, especially in view of the fact that the
standard has already been stretched to include variants and aliases.
<BR><BR>>> This is not my view only. It was the view of the
RA.<BR><BR>Regarding the above statement, I also want to add that as far as I
can tell, the 15924 JAC did not consider this topic in any depth, nor does any
of the discussion here seem to be forwarded to the JAC for their
consideration; I believe that the members are unaware of the issues raised
regarding language tags. As far as I could see from email, the sum total of
the discussion was three statements, two by the same person: <BR><BR>A: "As
far as I can see, <SPAN class=st id=st name="st">IPA</SPAN> is just a set of
Latin characters."<BR>A: "The <SPAN class=st id=st name="st">IPA</SPAN> is a
set of Latin letters, and can be represented by Latn. It is an orthography of
Latin, not a script of its own." <BR>C: "I concur with this
conclusion."<BR>[names removed to protect the innocent]<BR><BR>Morever, I want
to point out that the RA and the JAC are two different entities, and that this
view does not represent the view of the RA (which has not taken a position on
the issue). <BR><BR>Mark<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 11/11/06, <B class=gmail_sendername>Peter
Constable</B> <<A
href="mailto:petercon@microsoft.com">petercon@microsoft.com</A>>
wrote:</SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">From:
<A
href="mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no">ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no</A><BR>[mailto:<A
href="mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no">ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no</A>]
On Behalf Of Michael <BR>Everson<BR><BR>> I don't know how to understand
the problem people<BR>> have with the IPA.<BR><BR>And you didn't know how
to understand the problem people had with<BR>es-americas either. But the
problem was still real. <BR><BR><BR>> I have a hypothesis, not intended
to offend anyone.<BR><BR>No offense taken, for my part.<BR><BR>> Some
people who only learned 26-35 letters when they<BR>> were children
playing with their building blocks and <BR>> refrigerator magnets and so
on apparently have<BR>> difficulty learning new letters when they
encounter<BR>> them later on. They look at a run of IPA or UPA or<BR>>
something and say "I can't read that" without really <BR>> trying. But of
course they can.<BR><BR>For the vast majority of people, they *can't* read
it, aren't going to<BR>try, nor should they have to unless what they are
really looking for is<BR>a phonetic transcription. <BR><BR><BR>> But
unfamiliarity does not a separate script make.<BR><BR>Nobody has said
phonetic transcriptions are a separate script. We say it<BR>is a script
variant that is significantly different from most Latin<BR>practical
orthographies, different enough to make content illegible,<BR>unhelpful and
undesirable to users except where they are specifically<BR>looking for such
content; different enough to warrant a script-variant<BR>ID in 15924 to
facilitate IT implementations that can easily <BR>differentiate such content
from "normal" orthographic content and<BR>deliver to users the kind of
content that they
want.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Peter<BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Ietf-languages
mailing list <BR><A
href="mailto:Ietf-languages@alvestrand.no">Ietf-languages@alvestrand.no</A><BR><A
href="http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/ietf-languages">http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/ietf-languages</A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>