Thanks. On the basis of discussion, I'm sending in a modified form.<br><br>Mark<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 8/29/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Peter Constable</b> <<a href="mailto:petercon@microsoft.com">
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<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Good enough; I'm OK with that, so long as
we are consistent in providing enough info. We should say that's what should be
done for posterity in 3066ter.</span></font></p>
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<p><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">
<a href="mailto:mark.edward.davis@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">mark.edward.davis@gmail.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:mark.edward.davis@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
mark.edward.davis@gmail.com</a>] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Mark Davis<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, August 29, 2006
6:47 PM</span></font></p></div><font face="Tahoma" size="2"></font><div><span class="e" id="q_10d5d5182d7281bb_1"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Peter Constable<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> IETF Languages Discussion<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Request for variant
subtag: western</font></span></div><div><p></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">We absolutely have the
means to document it -- that's what the descriptions and comments are for. I
like Addison's suggested style:<br>
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Prefix: hy<br>
Comments: Prefix 'hy': Western Armenian, as distinct from<br>
the Eastern dialect. <br>
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So let's suppose that a year from now we decide that Western
Saho needs to be distinguished from other dialects. Then we'd see
the request for a registration of the form:<br>
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Prefix: ssy<br>
Comments: Prefix 'ssy': Western Saho, as
distinct from <br>
the Eastern and Southern dialects.<br>
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(I think comments are sufficient, but we could also use descriptions.)<br>
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Mark<br>
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AFAICT?</span></font></p>
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<p><span><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">On 8/29/06, <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Peter
Constable</span></b> <<a href="mailto:petercon@microsoft.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">petercon@microsoft.com</a>>
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<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Please explain. Your mail to others does not AFAICT address
the specific point I make here: if you revise a variant subtag by adding
additional prefixes, we have no means to document what the denotation of some
given prefix + variant combination is. </span></font></p>
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<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">E.g. suppose the entry for a variant subtag
"western" were revised to include the prefix "en", and some
people start using it to denote some variety of English spoken in Cornwall
while others start using it to denote some variety of English spoken in Western
Australia, then there's a mess.</span></font></p>
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<p><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> <a href="mailto:mark.edward.davis@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
mark.edward.davis@gmail.com</a>
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mark.edward.davis@gmail.com</a>] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of
</span></b>Mark Davis<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, August 29, 2006
5:02 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Peter Constable</span></font></p>
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<span><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> IETF Languages
Discussion</span><br>
<span><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Request
for variant subtag: western</span></span></font></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">That's based on a mistaken assumption (see my mail to
others). Mark</span></font></p>
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8/29/06, <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Peter Constable</span></b> <<a href="mailto:petercon@microsoft.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">petercon@microsoft.com </a>>
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From: John Cowan [mailto:<a href="mailto:cowan@ccil.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">cowan@ccil.org
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> As for hy-hyewest, I think it's awful.<br>
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While it may look aweful, an advantage of this is that we can document
precisely what is meant by "hyewest" (or whatever form of subtag one
might want) -- that is, it is the Armeanian variety spoken by the Armenian
diaspora. <br>
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But there is no way we can document how "western" ought to be
interpreted in all of the combinations it is used (unless we want to allow
multiple "western" variant entries, one for each prefix to be
documented). <br>
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And going back to a paper Gary Simons and I wrote back in 2000, documenting
what tags are meant to denote is important. It won't help anybody if people
start using "foo-western" but there are widely differing opinions as
to what that refers to. <br>
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Peter Constable<br>
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