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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I understand Michael’s concern about
generic subtags: there’s a long list of possibilities, we might be able to
combine those with any number of languages, and it could be somewhat confusing.
(Would we want a tag for the western variant of Eastern Frisian?) But one thing
Michael might be missing is that Mark’s request specifies “hy” as a specific
prefix for use with this subtag: the generic tags would have limitations on how
it should be used.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>That raises a general question regarding
generic tags of this type: is there an expectation that the registry would be
updated to indicate a prefix before people start using that variant with some
other language subtag? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If so, then it seems like we would be
choosing between these two options: one generic variant subtag (e.g. “western”)
with many registry updates to add prefixes to that subtag, or multiple
registrations for language-specific variant subtags (e.g. “hyewest”)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>As for whether *<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>something</span></b>* should be registered in response to Mark’s request,
I don’t see any basis for rejecting unless one can demonstrate that the “Western”
distinction really isn’t appropriate for Armenian varieties.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Peter Constable<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no
[mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Mark Davis<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, August 29, 2006
3:46 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Michael Everson<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> IETF Languages Discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Request for variant
subtag: western</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>There are no grounds in
the RFC for denying the request on the basis that unrelated variants must all
be requested at once. The RFC specifically allows for additional variants and
additional prefixes to be added successively. <br>
<br>
I will be submitting a similar form for Eastern, since that is the other
variant needed for Armenian. (I waited just so the dust would settle on this
one.) But there is no need to register others until evidence has been shown for
usage, nor are we even allowed to register others until evidence has been shown
for usage. <br>
<br>
Mark<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmailquote><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 8/29/06, <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Michael
Everson</span></b> <<a href="mailto:everson@evertype.com">everson@evertype.com</a>>
wrote:</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>At 15:25 -0700 2006-08-29, Mark Davis wrote:<br>
>The goal of RFC3066bis is to distinguish important cases, and the<br>
>distinction between Western Armenian and Eastern Armenian is *far*<br>
>more significant than the distinction between de and de-1901 or <br>
>en-GB-oed and en-GB, and far more important than the distinction<br>
>between en and en-boont.<br>
<br>
In what way? In terms of computing, the orthography of the two<br>
dialects is prettyt much the same (the differences are small). In <br>
terms of pronunciation (and sometimes transliteration), the<br>
differences are major.<br>
<br>
>The text of RFC3066bis specifically recognizes that the same variant<br>
>subtag might be applicable to multiple prefixes; the meaning of the <br>
>variant is relevant to that prefix.<br>
<br>
See the following list.<br>
<br>
Eastern<br>
Western<br>
Northern<br>
Southern<br>
Northeastern<br>
Northwestern<br>
Southeastern<br>
Southwestern<br>
Inner<br>
Outer<br>
Upper<br>
Lower <br>
Hill<br>
Plain<br>
Valley<br>
Cave<br>
Desert<br>
Jungle<br>
Central<br>
Peripheral<br>
Prestige<br>
Vulgar<br>
Urban<br>
Rural<br>
Village<br>
Town<br>
Male<br>
Female<br>
Adult<br>
Adolescent<br>
Child<br>
Sacred<br>
Profane<br>
Local<br>
Native<br>
Indigenous<br>
Diaspora<br>
etc etc etc etc etc etc<br>
<br>
Do your linguistic homework. If you want "generic" tags of this<br>
nature, propose to add a lot of them all at once.<br>
--<br>
Michael Everson * <a href="http://www.evertype.com">http://www.evertype.com</a><br>
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