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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=484191919-10022006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#0000ff size=2>Hi Addison,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=484191919-10022006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=484191919-10022006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#0000ff size=2>The problem is that we don't need a new subtag. We
need, rather, to be able to use the script subtags which exist in the new
registry (in particular Hani, Kana and Hrkt). As the new RFC isn't yet
fully baked, we're assuming that we must not do that. And as the old
registry has been closed, I'm assuming that it's too late to request ja-Hani,
ja-Kana and ja-Hrkt under the old regime.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=484191919-10022006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=484191919-10022006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#0000ff size=2>Misha</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=484191919-10022006><FONT face=Verdana
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Addison Phillips
[mailto:addison@yahoo-inc.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> 10 February 2006
19:18<BR><B>To:</B> Misha Wolf; newsml-2@yahoogroups.com<BR><B>Cc:</B>
ltru@ietf.org; ietf-languages@alvestrand.no<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Ltru] RE:
[newsml-2] japanese scripts (was: person/name given and family
elements)<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=Section1>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Just because 3066bis is
not published with an RFC number yet doesn’t mean that it isn’t BCP 47, does it?
That isn’t how the process was presented to me. I’ve been told repeatedly that
once the RFC-to-be has passed through the process to IESG approval, we’re done.
(And the appearance of the new registry is evidence of this.) If you need a
subtag, submit a 3066bis request and let’s testdrive the
system…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><st1:place w:st="on"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Addison</SPAN></FONT></st1:place><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">Addison Phillips<BR>Internationalization
Architect - Yahoo! Inc.<BR><BR>Internationalization is an architecture.<BR>It is
not a feature. </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
ltru-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ltru-bounces@ietf.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Misha Wolf<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, February 10, 2006 11:05
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
newsml-2@yahoogroups.com<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B>
ltru@ietf.org; ietf-languages@alvestrand.no<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [Ltru] RE: [newsml-2] japanese
scripts (was: person/name given and family
elements)</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Unfortunately, this
page:</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> <A
href="http://www.iana.org/numbers.html#L">http://www.iana.org/numbers.html#L</A></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">says:</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana
color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"No further
registrations in this registry."</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">in relation to the
RFC 3066 language tags registry.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I suppose that if the
IETF takes much longer to move RFC 3066 bis to RFC status, we may have to lobby
for the RFC 3066 registry to be re-opened. We're now stuck between one
system which has closed and another which has not yet
opened.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Misha</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
newsml-2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newsml-2@yahoogroups.com] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Rob Warner<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 10 February 2006 18:53<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> newsml-2@yahoogroups.com<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [newsml-2] japanese scripts
(was: person/name given and family elements)</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">It's worth noting that the XML 1.0
specification does explicitly allow for values in a form defined by RFC 3066's
successor to be used in xml:lang attributes: <A
href="http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-xml-20040204/#sec-lang-tag">http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-xml-20040204/#sec-lang-tag</A><BR><BR>The
danger of course is that existing consumers may not fully understand the new
syntax. Since there are really no NewsML 2 consumers yet, that's probably
not an issue for us. <BR><BR>If RFC 3066 bis is too far in the future, we might
look at registering jp-Hani & friends, the same way zh-Hans & zh-Hant
were done.<BR><BR>cheers,<BR><BR>Rob<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=gmailquote><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On 10/02/06, <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Misha Wolf</SPAN></B> <<A
href="mailto:misha.wolf@reuters.com">misha.wolf@reuters.com</A>>
wrote:</SPAN></FONT></SPAN> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Yes. I imagine
that the new RFC will be approved before NewsML 2 is
finalised.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Misha</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=q><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B></SPAN><SPAN
class=q><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A
href="mailto:newsml-2@yahoogroups.com"
target=_blank>newsml-2@yahoogroups.com</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:newsml-2@yahoogroups.com"
target=_blank>newsml-2@yahoogroups.com</A>] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Laurent Le
Meur</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 10 February 2006 17:37<BR><SPAN
class=q><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <A
href="mailto:newsml-2@yahoogroups.com"
target=_blank>newsml-2@yahoogroups.com</A></SPAN><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> <A href="mailto:ltru@ietf.org"
target=_blank>ltru@ietf.org</A></SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV><SPAN id=q_109552d41eacd92a_5>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><SPAN class=e><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [newsml-2] japanese scripts
(was: person/name given and family
elements)</SPAN><BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></SPAN>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Therefore your
proposal is to explicitly and provisionally allow for xml:lang="jp-Hani", isn't
it? </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Laurent</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">De :</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A
href="mailto:newsml-2@yahoogroups.com"
target=_blank>newsml-2@yahoogroups.com</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:newsml-2@yahoogroups.com" target=_blank>
newsml-2@yahoogroups.com</A>] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">De la part
de</SPAN></B> Misha Wolf<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Envoyé :</SPAN></B> vendredi 10 février 2006
18:21<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">À :</SPAN></B> <A
href="mailto:newsml-2@yahoogroups.com"
target=_blank>newsml-2@yahoogroups.com</A><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc :</SPAN></B> <A href="mailto:ltru@ietf.org"
target=_blank>ltru@ietf.org</A><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Objet :</SPAN></B> RE: [newsml-2] japanese
scripts (was: person/name given and family
elements)</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">It would be a bad
idea to introduce a "script" attribute now, just
before draft-ietf-ltru-registry [1] becomes an RFC, replacing RFC
3066.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">[1] <A
href="http://ietfreport.isoc.org/idref/draft-ietf-ltru-registry/"
target=_blank>http://ietfreport.isoc.org/idref/draft-ietf-ltru-registry/</A> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Verdana color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Misha</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A
href="mailto:newsml-2@yahoogroups.com"
target=_blank>newsml-2@yahoogroups.com</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:newsml-2@yahoogroups.com"
target=_blank>newsml-2@yahoogroups.com</A>] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Laurent Le Meur<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 10 February 2006 11:33<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <A
href="mailto:newsml-2@yahoogroups.com"
target=_blank>newsml-2@yahoogroups.com</A><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [newsml-2] japanese scripts
(was: person/name given and family elements)</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Takahiro,
</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The xml:lang attribute
can take values indicating a script: it is the case for </SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">zh-Hans and zh-Hant
(Traditional vs. Simplified Chinese), isn't it?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I see that it is not
currently used for Japanese scripts (kanji, katagana,
hiragana).</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I
spotted:</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A
href="http://www.w3.org/International/articles/language-tags/"
target=_blank>http://www.w3.org/International/articles/language-tags/</A>
</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">"</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=#333333 size=2><SPAN lang=EN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> There is a need,
sometimes, to distinguish the script used, in addition to the language. For
example, Mongolian might be written in Mongolian script or Cyrillic; Croatian
might be written in Latin or Cyrillic; ..."</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#333333 size=2><SPAN lang=EN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Then <A
href="http://www.inter-locale.com/ID/draft-ietf-ltru-registry-13.html#script"
target=_blank>http://www.inter-locale.com/ID/draft-ietf-ltru-registry-13.html#script</A>
</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#333333 size=2><SPAN lang=EN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">"Script subtags are
used to indicate the script or writing system variations that distinguish the
written forms of a language or its dialects. The following rules apply to the
script subtags: "</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#333333 size=2><SPAN lang=EN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Then <A
href="http://www.unicode.org/iso15924/iso15924-codes.html"
target=_blank>http://www.unicode.org/iso15924/iso15924-codes.html</A>
</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#333333 size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">And found the tokens
found in HR-ML samples </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#333333 size=2><SPAN lang=SV
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- Hani (for
Kanji)</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN lang=SV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- Kana
(Katakana)</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN lang=SV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- Hrkt (alias for
Hiragana + Katakana)</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">My question: Can't we
already express script with xml:lang="jp-Hani" ?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">(I imagine that it
would not be RFC3066 compliant any more).</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If not, should we then
create a specific attribute, as a sibling of xml:lang, in all elements
supporting strings, that will be deprecated when the replacement of RFC3066 is
standardized? If so, why are we the only group looking at this
problem?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN lang=EN-GB
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</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I
would explain from the view of Japanese
people.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">> With Japanese
comes another factor: two scripts for one
language.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Yes! this is the thing
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<P><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> We always
need two scripts in the application form such as resident registration,
curriculum vitae(résumé), application form when the online
shopping...</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> One is
for the formal printable name. The other one is for the
pronunciation. There is many ways to write a pronunciation
such as Hiragana, Katakana, multiple-romanisations. But there
is needed only one pronunciation in one application form because we can
convert to another. This pronunciation is also used for the name list with
order by pronunciation. Japanese people do not use order by Alphabetical
nor order by Kanji.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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