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We have never had the accuracy that Tex is looking for. "en-US" does
not tell me exactly what to expect; it ranges from the English used in
"Hee Haw", to rap, to Robert De Niro's English in "Raging Bull". What
is the practical problem that having el-Latn causes? The lack of
spell-checkers doesn't mean it's an illegitimate tag; I don't have a
spell-checker for the following, but it is valid en-GB:
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Beatrice: Not til God make men of some other mettal then
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earth, would it not grieue a woman to be ouer-masterd with
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a peece of valiant dust? to make an account of her life to a clod
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of waiward marle? no vnckle, ile none: Adams sonnes are my
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brethren, and truely I holde it a sinne to match in my kin-
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red. [Much Ado About Nothing (Quarto) 2.1]
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b). We already have a generative mechanism in 3066 primus. All of the
tags at the end of this message work. Is this a problem? Nope.
Generative mechanisms have a huge advantage over registrations. If I
have an application or a customer that needs haw-DE, I can use that tag
right now, without having to wait months or years for it to be
registered.
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The meaning of the tag is clear, even though the precise denotation is
not -- but you can <b class="moz-txt-star"><span class="moz-txt-tag">*</span>never<span
class="moz-txt-tag">*</span></b> get precision anyway. Having a
registration citing 5 books doesn't mean that the text is <b
class="moz-txt-star"><span class="moz-txt-tag">*</span>limited<span
class="moz-txt-tag">*</span></b> to precisely what is described in
those 5 books (all and only the words in those books, all and only the
grammatical constructs and combinations of words in those 5 books) --
such registrations would be useless.
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haw-AD: Hawaiian(Andorra), haw-AE: Hawaiian(United Arab Emirates),
haw-AF: Hawaiian(Afghanistan), haw-AG: Hawaiian(Antigua and Barbuda),
haw-AI: Hawaiian(Anguilla), haw-AL: Hawaiian(Albania), haw-AM:
Hawaiian(Armenia), haw-AN: Hawaiian(Netherlands Antilles), haw-AO:
Hawaiian(Angola), haw-AQ: Hawaiian(Antarctica), haw-AR:
Hawaiian(Argentina), haw-AS: Hawaiian(American Samoa), haw-AT:
Hawaiian(Austria), haw-AU: Hawaiian(Australia), haw-AW:
Hawaiian(Aruba), haw-AX: Hawaiian(Aland Islands), haw-AZ:
Hawaiian(Azerbaijan), haw-BA: Hawaiian(Bosnia and Herzegovina), haw-BB:
Hawaiian(Barbados), haw-BD: Hawaiian(Bangladesh), haw-BE:
Hawaiian(Belgium), haw-BF: Hawaiian(Burkina Faso), haw-BG:
Hawaiian(Bulgaria), haw-BH: Hawaiian(Bahrain), haw-BI:
Hawaiian(Burundi), haw-BJ: Hawaiian(Benin), haw-BM: Hawaiian(Bermuda),
haw-BN: Hawaiian(Brunei), haw-BO: Hawaiian(Bolivia), haw-BQ:
Hawaiian(British Antarctic Territory), haw-BR: Hawaiian(Brazil),
haw-BS: Hawaiian(Bahamas), haw-BT: Hawaiian(Bhutan), haw-BV:
Hawaiian(Bouvet Island), haw-BW: Hawaiian(Botswana), haw-BY:
Hawaiian(Belarus), haw-BZ: Hawaiian(Belize), haw-CA: Hawaiian(Canada),
haw-CC: Hawaiian(Cocos (Keeling) Islands), haw-CD: Hawaiian(Congo
(Kinshasa)), haw-CF: Hawaiian(Central African Republic), haw-CG:
Hawaiian(Congo (Brazzaville)), haw-CH: Hawaiian(Switzerland), haw-CI:
Hawaiian(Ivory Coast), haw-CK: Hawaiian(Cook Islands), haw-CL:
Hawaiian(Chile), haw-CM: Hawaiian(Cameroon), haw-CN: Hawaiian(China),
haw-CO: Hawaiian(Colombia), haw-CR: Hawaiian(Costa Rica), haw-CS:
Hawaiian(Serbia And Montenegro), haw-CT: Hawaiian(Canton and Enderbury
Islands), haw-CU: Hawaiian(Cuba), haw-CV: Hawaiian(Cape Verde), haw-CX:
Hawaiian(Christmas Island), haw-CY: Hawaiian(Cyprus), haw-CZ:
Hawaiian(Czech Republic), haw-DD: Hawaiian(East Germany), haw-DE:
Hawaiian(Germany), haw-DJ: Hawaiian(Djibouti), haw-DK:
Hawaiian(Denmark), haw-DM: Hawaiian(Dominica), haw-DO:
Hawaiian(Dominican Republic), haw-DZ: Hawaiian(Algeria), haw-EC:
Hawaiian(Ecuador), haw-EE: Hawaiian(Estonia), haw-EG: Hawaiian(Egypt),
haw-EH: Hawaiian(Western Sahara), haw-ER: Hawaiian(Eritrea), haw-ES:
Hawaiian(Spain), haw-ET: Hawaiian(Ethiopia), haw-FI: Hawaiian(Finland),
haw-FJ: Hawaiian(Fiji), haw-FK: Hawaiian(Falkland Islands), haw-FM:
Hawaiian(Micronesia), haw-FO: Hawaiian(Faroe Islands), haw-FQ:
Hawaiian(French Southern and Antarctic Territories), haw-FR:
Hawaiian(France), haw-FX: Hawaiian(Metropolitan France), haw-GA:
Hawaiian(Gabon), haw-GB: Hawaiian(United Kingdom), haw-GD:
Hawaiian(Grenada), haw-GE: Hawaiian(Georgia), haw-GF: Hawaiian(French
Guiana), haw-GH: Hawaiian(Ghana), haw-GI: Hawaiian(Gibraltar), haw-GL:
Hawaiian(Greenland), haw-GM: Hawaiian(Gambia), haw-GN:
Hawaiian(Guinea), haw-GP: Hawaiian(Guadeloupe), haw-GQ:
Hawaiian(Equatorial Guinea), haw-GR: Hawaiian(Greece), haw-GS:
Hawaiian(South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands), haw-GT:
Hawaiian(Guatemala), haw-GU: Hawaiian(Guam), haw-GW:
Hawaiian(Guinea-Bissau), haw-GY: Hawaiian(Guyana), haw-HK:
Hawaiian(Hong Kong S.A.R., China), haw-HM: Hawaiian(Heard Island and
McDonald Islands), haw-HN: Hawaiian(Honduras), haw-HR:
Hawaiian(Croatia), haw-HT: Hawaiian(Haiti), haw-HU: Hawaiian(Hungary),
haw-ID: Hawaiian(Indonesia), haw-IE: Hawaiian(Ireland), haw-IL:
Hawaiian(Israel), haw-IN: Hawaiian(India), haw-IO: Hawaiian(British
Indian Ocean Territory), haw-IQ: Hawaiian(Iraq), haw-IR:
Hawaiian(Iran), haw-IS: Hawaiian(Iceland), haw-IT: Hawaiian(Italy),
haw-JM: Hawaiian(Jamaica), haw-JO: Hawaiian(Jordan), haw-JP:
Hawaiian(Japan), haw-JT: Hawaiian(Johnston Island), haw-KE:
Hawaiian(Kenya), haw-KG: Hawaiian(Kyrgyzstan), haw-KH:
Hawaiian(Cambodia), haw-KI: Hawaiian(Kiribati), haw-KM:
Hawaiian(Comoros), haw-KN: Hawaiian(Saint Kitts and Nevis), haw-KP:
Hawaiian(North Korea), haw-KR: Hawaiian(South Korea), haw-KW:
Hawaiian(Kuwait), haw-KY: Hawaiian(Cayman Islands), haw-KZ:
Hawaiian(Kazakhstan), haw-LA: Hawaiian(Laos), haw-LB:
Hawaiian(Lebanon), haw-LC: Hawaiian(Saint Lucia), haw-LI:
Hawaiian(Liechtenstein), haw-LK: Hawaiian(Sri Lanka), haw-LR:
Hawaiian(Liberia), haw-LS: Hawaiian(Lesotho), haw-LT:
Hawaiian(Lithuania), haw-LU: Hawaiian(Luxembourg), haw-LV:
Hawaiian(Latvia), haw-LY: Hawaiian(Libya), haw-MA: Hawaiian(Morocco),
haw-MC: Hawaiian(Monaco), haw-MD: Hawaiian(Moldova), haw-MG:
Hawaiian(Madagascar), haw-MH: Hawaiian(Marshall Islands), haw-MI:
Hawaiian(Midway Islands), haw-MK: Hawaiian(Macedonia), haw-ML:
Hawaiian(Mali), haw-MM: Hawaiian(Myanmar), haw-MN: Hawaiian(Mongolia),
haw-MO: Hawaiian(Macao S.A.R., China), haw-MP: Hawaiian(Northern
Mariana Islands), haw-MQ: Hawaiian(Martinique), haw-MR:
Hawaiian(Mauritania), haw-MS: Hawaiian(Montserrat), haw-MT:
Hawaiian(Malta), haw-MU: Hawaiian(Mauritius), haw-MV:
Hawaiian(Maldives), haw-MW: Hawaiian(Malawi), haw-MX: Hawaiian(Mexico),
haw-MY: Hawaiian(Malaysia), haw-MZ: Hawaiian(Mozambique), haw-NA:
Hawaiian(Namibia), haw-NC: Hawaiian(New Caledonia), haw-NE:
Hawaiian(Niger), haw-NF: Hawaiian(Norfolk Island), haw-NG:
Hawaiian(Nigeria), haw-NI: Hawaiian(Nicaragua), haw-NL:
Hawaiian(Netherlands), haw-NO: Hawaiian(Norway), haw-NP:
Hawaiian(Nepal), haw-NQ: Hawaiian(Dronning Maud Land), haw-NR:
Hawaiian(Nauru), haw-NT: Hawaiian(Neutral Zone), haw-NU:
Hawaiian(Niue), haw-NZ: Hawaiian(New Zealand), haw-OM: Hawaiian(Oman),
haw-PA: Hawaiian(Panama), haw-PC: Hawaiian(Pacific Islands Trust
Territory), haw-PE: Hawaiian(Peru), haw-PF: Hawaiian(French Polynesia),
haw-PG: Hawaiian(Papua New Guinea), haw-PH: Hawaiian(Philippines),
haw-PK: Hawaiian(Pakistan), haw-PL: Hawaiian(Poland), haw-PM:
Hawaiian(Saint Pierre and Miquelon), haw-PN: Hawaiian(Pitcairn),
haw-PR: Hawaiian(Puerto Rico), haw-PS: Hawaiian(Palestinian Territory),
haw-PT: Hawaiian(Portugal), haw-PU: Hawaiian(U.S. Miscellaneous Pacific
Islands), haw-PW: Hawaiian(Palau), haw-PY: Hawaiian(Paraguay), haw-PZ:
Hawaiian(Panama Canal Zone), haw-QA: Hawaiian(Qatar), haw-QO:
Hawaiian(Outlying Oceania), haw-RE: Hawaiian(Reunion), haw-RO:
Hawaiian(Romania), haw-RU: Hawaiian(Russia), haw-RW: Hawaiian(Rwanda),
haw-SA: Hawaiian(Saudi Arabia), haw-SB: Hawaiian(Solomon Islands),
haw-SC: Hawaiian(Seychelles), haw-SD: Hawaiian(Sudan), haw-SE:
Hawaiian(Sweden), haw-SG: Hawaiian(Singapore), haw-SH: Hawaiian(Saint
Helena), haw-SI: Hawaiian(Slovenia), haw-SJ: Hawaiian(Svalbard and Jan
Mayen), haw-SK: Hawaiian(Slovakia), haw-SL: Hawaiian(Sierra Leone),
haw-SM: Hawaiian(San Marino), haw-SN: Hawaiian(Senegal), haw-SO:
Hawaiian(Somalia), haw-SR: Hawaiian(Suriname), haw-ST: Hawaiian(Sao
Tome and Principe), haw-SU: Hawaiian(Union of Soviet Socialist
Republics), haw-SV: Hawaiian(El Salvador), haw-SY: Hawaiian(Syria),
haw-SZ: Hawaiian(Swaziland), haw-TC: Hawaiian(Turks and Caicos
Islands), haw-TD: Hawaiian(Chad), haw-TF: Hawaiian(French Southern
Territories), haw-TG: Hawaiian(Togo), haw-TH: Hawaiian(Thailand),
haw-TJ: Hawaiian(Tajikistan), haw-TK: Hawaiian(Tokelau), haw-TL:
Hawaiian(East Timor), haw-TM: Hawaiian(Turkmenistan), haw-TN:
Hawaiian(Tunisia), haw-TO: Hawaiian(Tonga), haw-TR: Hawaiian(Turkey),
haw-TT: Hawaiian(Trinidad and Tobago), haw-TV: Hawaiian(Tuvalu),
haw-TW: Hawaiian(Taiwan), haw-TZ: Hawaiian(Tanzania), haw-UA:
Hawaiian(Ukraine), haw-UG: Hawaiian(Uganda), haw-UM: Hawaiian(United
States Minor Outlying Islands), haw-US: Hawaiian(United States),
haw-UY: Hawaiian(Uruguay), haw-UZ: Hawaiian(Uzbekistan), haw-VA:
Hawaiian(Vatican), haw-VC: Hawaiian(Saint Vincent and the Grenadines),
haw-VD: Hawaiian(North Vietnam), haw-VE: Hawaiian(Venezuela), haw-VG:
Hawaiian(British Virgin Islands), haw-VI: Hawaiian(U.S. Virgin
Islands), haw-VN: Hawaiian(Vietnam), haw-VU: Hawaiian(Vanuatu), haw-WF:
Hawaiian(Wallis and Futuna), haw-WK: Hawaiian(Wake Island), haw-WS:
Hawaiian(Samoa), haw-YD: Hawaiian(People's Democratic Republic of
Yemen), haw-YE: Hawaiian(Yemen), haw-YT: Hawaiian(Mayotte), haw-ZA:
Hawaiian(South Africa), haw-ZM: Hawaiian(Zambia), haw-ZW:
Hawaiian(Zimbabwe)
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Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
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--On onsdag, september 28, 2005 04:19:18 -0700 Tex Texin <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tex@xencraft.com"><tex@xencraft.com></a>
wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">It's a good reason not to Register generative
tags.
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So when someone requests a tag now, what is the reviewer to look at?
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We used to identify a few representative books, which I always thought
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meant we were identifying a particular set of rules around the language
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(spelling, orthography).
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The registration for el-Latn more or less stipulates the need for
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transliteration, mentions that they exist, with a link to a site that
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collects transliteration systems. (Which btw, I think is a really bad
idea
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in the event the site goes away or completely changes its list of
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reference materials.) But it doesn't really nail down what it is. (It
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mentions a standard, but doesn't say the tag is referring to that
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particular standard.
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So we are no longer identifying a reference or a particular language,
but
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just the concept that there seems to be something like a language of
this
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persuasion. I guess we were asking for this with es-419. (Which I was
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also a proponent of.)
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Yep.
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For this particular request, one reason why I don't care much what the
registration says is that we have a community consensus that anyone
using a tag consisting of a 639 language and a script doesn't have to
register it - he can just use it if he thinks it's appropriate for his
content.
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So we'd better get used to a world where we encounter tags of that
nature.
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Translation is not a new subject for this list - transliteration
warranted a section in Peter Constable's 2002 SIL report <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="http://www.unicode.org/notes/tn8/SILEWP2002-003.pdf"><http://www.unicode.org/notes/tn8/SILEWP2002-003.pdf></a>,
and I've found mention of transliteration in the archives in 1998.
(Google doesn't seem to search the old archives consistently, however..
I'd better move them....)
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