De jure standards for international law on commerce. Last call forISO 15924-based updates

[Debbie Garside]

Gerard Wrote:

> The question is not what is your or my personal opinion, but
> what does the position of international law today in force !

This is the IETF-languages forum and not an international court of law, the
UN or ISO.

We take the ISO standards and incorporate them as is within the LSR which
RFC4646 and BCP47 rely upon.  We do not cherry pick.  We sometimes add a
comment to enable users to better understand the meaning of a code element
when we feel it may be considered ambiguous.  Our personal opinions matter
as it is only our personal opinions that are taken into account when a
consensus opinion is sought.

Best regards

Debbie



> -----Original Message-----
> From: ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no
> [mailto:ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no] On Behalf Of Lang Gérard
> Sent: 17 March 2009 12:55
> To: Stephane Bortzmeyer; ietf-languages at iana.org
> Subject: De jure standards for international law on commerce.
> Last call forISO 15924-based updates
>
> Dear Stéphane Bortzmeyer,
>
> The question is not what is your or my personal opinion, but
> what does the position of international law today in force !
>
> The international treaty establishing the intergovernmental
> UN agency  WTO (World Trade Organization), now having 153
> members parts (149 member States, Taiwan, Macao, Hong-Kong
> and the European Union), comprises a TBT protocol (Agreement
> on Technical Barriers to Trade), whose Article 1.1 writes:
> "1.1  General terms for standardization and procedures for
> assesment of conformity shall normally have the meaning given
> to them by definitions adopted within the United Nations
> system and by internaztional standardizing bodies taking into
> account their context and in the light of the object and
> purpose of this agreement"
> The combination of this article 1.1 with Annex 1 (terms and
> definitions for the purpose of this agreement, that
> explicitely refers to the ISO/IEC Guide 2: 1991) and Annex 3
> (Code of good practice for the preparation, adoption and
> application of standards) makes it clear that only standards
> issued from ISO, or IEC ,or ITU ,or UN/CEFACT at
> international level, or the corresponding regional and
> national bodies at regional or national levels, are
> recognized as "de jure standards" for the application of the
> international law on commerce.
> Cordialement.
> Gérard LANG
>
>
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no
> [mailto:ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no] De la part de
> Stephane Bortzmeyer Envoyé : mardi 17 mars 2009 11:32 À :
> ietf-languages at iana.org Objet : Re: Last call for ISO
> 15924-based updates
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 08:13:20AM +0100,  Lang Gérard
> <gerard.lang at insee.fr> wrote  a message of 32 lines which said:
>
> > IETF's BCP (de facto standards, whose use is restricted to
> some forms
> > of use) make use of ISO standards (de jure standards, that are
> > designed for very large categories of users),
>
> Do note that this distinction between IETF standards and ISO
> ones is an opinion, not a fact, and that many people (me, for
> instance), disagree with this opinion.
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