Adding variant subtags 'aluku' and 'nduyka' and 'pamaka' for dialects
Doug Ewell
doug at ewellic.org
Sun Aug 23 18:50:44 CEST 2009
As Pascal and others have said, there seems to be no question that these
three variant subtags should be registered. The devil seems to be in
the following details:
1. Given that two Description fields are proposed for two of these
records, should the Comments field mention that these are two different
names for the same dialect, and not two different dialects? Peter feels
there should be such a comment, because the names refer to "dialect" and
(unlike "Dutch" and "Flemish") are unfamiliar to many users, causing
potential confusion. Addison seems to agree. I feel that the comment
is not necessary because a single record always refers to a single
entity; the Registry contains no examples to the contrary.
2. Should the name "Busi Nenge Tongo" (or alternative) for the base
language be used instead of "Aukan," which is also a name for one of the
dialects? Addison suggested using "Aukan" for the base language in a
proposed comment; Pascal objected strongly because this name is more
commonly associated with the dialect than with the base language, and
would imply the wrong language-dialect hierarchy.
3. Related to issue 2, should the name "Busi Nenge Tongo" (or
alternative) be proposed as an additional Description field for language
subtag 'djk'? This has been mentioned in the content of ISO 639-3, but
as Addison has pointed out, an additional description could be added to
the Registry regardless of what ISO 639-3 does, as long as we also keep
the one that ISO 639-3 uses (for cross-referencing purposes). There is
currently no formal proposal to do this.
There may be other issues which I've forgotten.
It might be worth noting, for comparison, that the Registry includes a
language subtag 'zza' which has six Description fields, among which are
"Dimli" and "Kirmanjki," which are also the names of individual
languages that have 'zza' as their macrolanguage. Fortunately, ISO
639-3 added the "(macrolanguage)" and "(individual language)" to their
name fields as appropriate, so the confusion is not total. Does this
establish any sort of precedent for how we might want to handle the name
"Aukan"? These languages and names are also probably unfamiliar to many
users, so the analogy might be a legitimate one.
Pascal wrote:
> "Boni" and "Aukan" [resp.] are alternate names, a little bit
> outfashioned these last decades because they actually are more ethnies
> names than language names.
If these name really have fallen into disuse, is it desirable to include
them as second Description fields, or should they *only* appear in
Comments fields? That might solve issue 1 above. Remember that many
applications will ignore the Comments fields, so users would not see
these names unless they dig very deeply.
If we use the name "Busi Nenge Tongo" (or alternative) anywhere at all,
Pascal needs to provide us with a single definitive spelling. I have
seen various posts which used the spelling "Bushi" and which omitted the
word "Tongo."
As Addison points out, we are now under the RFC 4646bis rules, so the
review period needs to be extended for at least another week after
updated records and registration forms are posted to this list. Also,
if it is proposed to add a second Description field to 'djk', we need a
two-week review period for that record and registration form. I don't
see a problem with taking this additional time, since the discussion
shows that there is controversy, and it should be more important to get
this right than to rush it through. (After all, these requests had to
wait for seven months until BCP 47 was able to support 'djk'!)
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