Duplicate Busters: Survey #1

[Debbie Garside]

Hi Doug

This is excellent work but I would like to see change requests submitted to
the RA for the appropriate standard where you have recommended changes
either prior to or in addition to LTRU/ietf-languages making these
decisions.

Best regards

Debbie

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no
> [mailto:ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no] On Behalf Of Doug Ewell
> Sent: 31 July 2008 06:00
> To: LTRU Working Group; ietf-languages at iana.org
> Subject: Duplicate Busters: Survey #1
>
> This is the first of two surveys that are being distributed
> to both the LTRU and ietf-languages groups, to determine how
> to resolve two different types of duplicate Description
> information in the IANA Language Subtag Registry.  The
> results will affect the contents of the future (RFC 4646bis)
> Registry, and some of the results may affect the current (RFC
> 4646) Registry as well.
>
> I feel it is important to involve both the LTRU (rule-making)
> and ietf-languages (rule-applying) groups in this process, to
> maximize the chances that the same rules will be applied both
> now and in the future when similar conflicts arise.
>
> This survey deals with exact duplicates, cases where two
> different subtags or tags have the same Description in the
> current or proposed Registry.  For each case, I provide the
> two (or three) conflicting records, along with suggested
> changes that would resolve the conflict in a way consistent
> with other Registry entries, and a brief discussion
> explaining the proposed change.  Please send your comments to
> the list, either supporting the suggested changes or offering
> alternative solutions.  When the rate of list responses slows
> sufficiently, I will make decisions based on list feedback
> and apply them in the next iteration of draft-4645bis.
>
> All supporting encyclopedic information on languages is from
> Ethnologue, or from Change Request Forms used to add the
> language or change its
> name(s) in ISO 639-3.  Please do not use this survey as an
> opportunity to criticize Ethnologue or ISO 639-3 as general
> sources of language information or classification.  Our
> objective is simply to find a sensible and consistent way to
> distinguish two different languages with the same name.
> Anyone who has information from another source that
> contradicts or augments the information below is asked to
> share this information with the list, to help us make the
> best possible naming choices.
>
> ===
>
> Type: language
> Subtag: aru
> Description: Aruá
> --> REPLACE WITH: Aruá (Arauan)
> Description: Arawá
> Added: 2029-09-09
>
> Type: language
> Subtag: arx
> Description: Aruá
> --> REPLACE WITH: Aruá (Monde)
> Added: 2029-09-09
>
> Discussion:
> Both of these are listed in Ethnologue as "a language of
> Brazil," so region cannot be used as a distinguishing
> feature.  'aru' is extinct, but this is also not a good
> attribute by which to distinguish the two, especially since
> 'arx' has only 12 speakers itself.  'aru' is listed as a
> member of the Arauan language family and 'arx' as a member of
> the Monde family, so this seems to be the best choice.
>
> ===
>
> Type: language
> Subtag: awb
> Description: Awa
> --> REPLACE WITH: Description: Awa (Papua New Guinea)
> Added: 2029-09-09
>
> Type: language
> Subtag: vwa
> Description: Awa
> --> REPLACE WITH: Description: Awa (China)
> Added: 2029-09-09
>
> Discussion:
> Region for 'awb' is as listed in Ethnologue.  Region for
> 'vwa' is as indicated on ISO 639-3 Change Request Form 2007-010.
>
> ===
>
> Type: language
> Subtag: bwo
> Description: Boro
> Description: Borna
> --> REPLACE WITH: Description: Borna (Ethiopia)
> Added: 2029-09-09
>
> Type: language
> Subtag: bxx
> Description: Borna
> --> REPLACE WITH: Description: Borna (Democratic Republic of Congo)
> Added: 2029-09-09
>
> Discussion:
> Regions are as listed in Ethnologue.  The form "Democratic
> Republic of Congo" (without "the") is consistent with that
> used with other languages in ISO 639-3.  The 639-3 code
> element 'bwo' is currently the subject of a change request,
> to change the name "Boro" to "Boro (Ethiopia)" in
> anticipation of another Boro being added, thereby confirming
> that we are headed down the right path with this renaming effort.
>
> ===
>
> Type: language
> Subtag: diq
> Description: Dimli
> --> REPLACE WITH: Description: Dimli (individual language)
> Added: 2029-09-09
> Macrolanguage: zza
>
> Type: language
> Subtag: kiu
> Description: Kirmanjki
> --> REPLACE WITH: Description: Kirmanjki (individual language)
> Added: 2029-09-09
> Macrolanguage: zza
>
> Type: language
> Subtag: zza
> Description: Zaza
> Description: Dimili
> Description: Dimli
> --> REPLACE WITH: Description: Dimli (macrolanguage)
> Description: Kirdki
> Description: Kirmanjki
> --> REPLACE WITH: Description: Kirmanjki (macrolanguage)
> Description: Zazaki
> Added: 2006-08-24
> Scope: macrolanguage
>
> Discussion:
> These three cases are handled together due to their
> commonality.  Both Dimli and Kirmanjki are individual
> languages encompassed within Zaza, which may also be called
> Dimli or Kirmanjki, neatly exemplifying the concept of a
> macrolanguage.  The strings "individual language" and
> "macrolanguage" are used extensively in 639-3 for this
> purpose; see, for example, Dogri.
>
> ===
>
> Type: language
> Subtag: he
> Description: Hebrew
> --> NO CHANGE
> Added: 2005-10-16
> Suppress-Script: Hebr
>
> Type: language
> Subtag: iw
> Description: Hebrew
> --> NO CHANGE
> Added: 2005-10-16
> Deprecated: 1989-01-01
> Preferred-Value: he
> Suppress-Script: Hebr
>
> Discussion:
> No change is proposed to this pair of Description fields
> since 'iw' is deprecated with a Preferred-Value of 'he'.
>
> ===
>
> Type: language
> Subtag: id
> Description: Indonesian
> --> NO CHANGE
> Added: 2005-10-16
> Suppress-Script: Latn
>
> Type: language
> Subtag: in
> Description: Indonesian
> --> NO CHANGE
> Added: 2005-10-16
> Deprecated: 1989-01-01
> Preferred-Value: id
> Suppress-Script: Latn
>
> Discussion:
> No change is proposed to this pair of Description fields
> since 'in' is deprecated with a Preferred-Value of 'id'.
>
> ===
>
> Type: language
> Subtag: jv
> Description: Javanese
> --> NO CHANGE
> Added: 2005-10-16
>
> Type: language
> Subtag: jw
> Description: Javanese
> --> NO CHANGE
> Added: 2005-10-16
> Deprecated: 2001-08-13
> Preferred-Value: jv
> Comments: published by error in Table 1 of ISO 639:1988
>
> Discussion:
> No change is proposed to this pair of Description fields
> since 'jw' is deprecated with a Preferred-Value of 'jv'.
>
> ===
>
> Type: language
> Subtag: mtf
> Description: Murik
> --> REPLACE WITH: Description: Murik (Papua New Guinea)
> Added: 2029-09-09
>
> Type: language
> Subtag: mxr
> Description: Murik
> --> REPLACE WITH: Description: Murik (Malaysia)
> Added: 2029-09-09
>
> Discussion:
> Regions are as listed in Ethnologue.
>
> ===
>
> Type: language
> Subtag: ji
> Description: Yiddish
> --> NO CHANGE
> Added: 2005-10-16
> Deprecated: 1989-01-01
> Preferred-Value: yi
>
> Type: language
> Subtag: yi
> Description: Yiddish
> --> NO CHANGE
> Added: 2005-10-16
> Suppress-Script: Hebr
> Scope: macrolanguage
>
> Discussion:
> No change is proposed to this pair of Description fields
> since 'ji' is deprecated with a Preferred-Value of 'yi'.
>
> ===
>
> Type: region
> Subtag: AA
> Description: Private use
> --> NO CHANGE
> Added: 2005-10-16
>
> Type: region
> Subtag: QM..QZ
> Description: Private use
> --> NO CHANGE
> Added: 2005-10-16
>
> Type: region
> Subtag: XA..XZ
> Description: Private use
> --> NO CHANGE
> Added: 2005-10-16
>
> Type: region
> Subtag: ZZ
> Description: Private use
> --> NO CHANGE
> Added: 2005-10-16
>
> Discussion:
> No change is proposed to these four Description fields since
> they have the same semantic and since private-use subtags
> listed in the Registry must be handled specially anyway.  The
> only way to disambiguate these values would be to use
> something like "Private use-AA", which would be completely
> arbitrary and would not solve the special-handling problem.
> The question of whether to unpack the "range" records into
> individual records (currently being discussed on LTRU) is
> orthogonal to the present survey.
>
> ===
>
> Type: grandfathered
> Tag: i-hak
> Description: Hakka
> --> NO CHANGE
> Added: 1999-01-31
> Deprecated: 2000-01-10
> Preferred-Value: hak
>
> Type: grandfathered
> Tag: zh-hakka
> Description: Hakka
> --> NO CHANGE
> Added: 1999-12-18
> Deprecated: 2029-09-09
> Preferred-Value: hak
>
> Discussion:
> No change is proposed to this pair of Description fields
> since both are deprecated with a Preferred-Value equal to the
> language subtag 'hak', which has a Description of "Hakka Chinese".
>
>
> --
> Doug Ewell  *  Thornton, Colorado, USA  *  RFC 4645  *  UTN
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