[Ltru] Re: Scottish English (was: LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM)

Addison Phillips addison at yahoo-inc.com
Wed Aug 22 20:31:13 CEST 2007


To which I'll add another, i.e. +2

Mark Davis wrote:
> +1
> 
> On 8/22/07, *Peter Constable* <petercon at microsoft.com 
> <mailto:petercon at microsoft.com>> wrote:
> 
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>     Of Addison Phillips
> 
> 
>      > OTOH, there was quite a long thread this year on this list about the
>      > practical limits of language tags. They cannot be expected to
>     identify
>      > every distinct variation in language. In most cases we are all
>      > satisfied
>      > to say that "en" is English... and sometimes add a closer regional
>      > variation. But truly detailed linguistic variation begins to test the
>      > capabilities of tags. In the case of "en-scottish", I can see the
>      > justification, but am concerned about where the line gets drawn.
> 
>     Perhaps it's a matter of expectations. Having a "scottish" subtag
>     doesn't mean that every product needs to use it. Perhaps that in
>     itself implies that not every product needs to guarantee a request
>     for "en-scottish" can be serviced with the kind of results that the
>     requester might be expecting. Perhaps the film and TV industry cares
>     about a Scottish/"British" distinction, but some other community
>     cares about some other way of tiling that bit of the plane.
> 
>     Welcome to the world of dialects! That is precisely why Gary Simons
>     and I concluded years ago that a standard that attempts to do for
>     dialects what 639-3 attempts for languages is simply implausible.
> 
>     Rather, the only thing that seemed plausible was for communities to
>     have a way to register the distinctions they care about. Well, here
>     we are! Someone from one community wants to register "Scottish" to
>     distinguish it from "British". Unless there's reason to believe
>     Karen's need isn't applicable to her industry segment as a whole
>     (which I strongly doubt), then I'm not sure what better approach
>     there is.
> 
> 
> 
>     Peter
> 
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