Request for variant subtag fr 16th-c 17th-c Resubmitted!

CE Whitehead cewcathar at hotmail.com
Wed Dec 20 20:07:17 CET 2006


Hi, Doug; I could add I guess a comment might explain when which tag could 
be used!

But most of the comments I can think of I do not completely like.

COMMENT OPTION A.
Perhaps one that explained that frm referred to French in both the 1606 and 
1694 dictionaries and fr referenced primarily French in the 1694 dictionary 
but that had been used as early as 1650.  The 1694 dictionary has a number 
of variants of words and the 1606 claims to as well.
That seems confusing though.

{I want the content author to be able to choose which tag bests encodes the 
language he/she is using.   Unfortunately some texts are clearly, clearly 
mixed thoughout as orthography was quite irreqular and I guess some 
pronunciation too.

By the 16th century the differences between written frm and fr are becoming 
orthographic as French becomes more modernized.

That is, you do not pronounce some of the differences such as the difference 
between alle (accent ecout on e) and allez.

(Alas there are clear pronunciation differences between British and American 
English).

But some you may such as the difference between Francoyse and Francois.}


COMMENT OPTION B.

Use  fr when the language is clearly accessible to the modern audience; 
otherwise frm;
both are in the 1694 dicitionary and both are used in both centuries though 
fr really starts arising in the second half of the sixteenth century and it 
still has elements of frm; it's a language in transition.
Some 17th century texts are still in frm or are clearly mixed.

COMMENT OPTION C.
(ANOTHER QUICKER EXPLANATION THAT CAN CLEANLY DELINEATE TWO DISTINCT 
LANGUAGE USES [except for in the 1685 text by Nicholas de la Salle where 
there both endings are common till the end] BUT REALLY MAKES LIGHT OF MOST 
OF THE CHANGES GOING ON):
fr would not have the ez endings for the past participle generally.

Ugh.
>
>If you have both tags "fr-whatever" and "frm-whatever" and they do not 
>identify, respectively, a specific type of Modern French and a specific 
>type of Middle French, or if you choose one tag or the other to compensate 
>for deficiencies in building some sort of search query, then the additional 
>information "whatever" does NOT narrow the scope of "fr" or "frm", it 
>broadens it.  That is my objection.
>

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