Question on ISO-639:1988

[Addison Phillips [wM]]

Debbie,

I'm aware of "LS 639". It is:

a) not (yet) a standard
b) not (yet) free
c) net (yet) done
d) irrelevent, since RFC3066 does almost everything necessary to the vast majority of applications (and its proposed successor either directly or through registration and extension does everything I can currently imagine as being needed).

Furthermore, XML (and many other formats and protocols) are already standardized on RFC 3066. Changing to some other scheme is, at best, unlikely.

I wish you luck with your project, but I think it quixotic at best.

Regards,

Addison
Addison P. Phillips
Director, Globalization Architecture
webMethods | Delivering Global Business Visibility
http://www.webMethods.com
Chair, W3C Internationalization (I18N) Working Group
Chair, W3C-I18N-WG, Web Services Task Force
http://www.w3.org/International

Internationalization is an architecture.
It is not a feature. 

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Debbie Garside [mailto:debbie at ictmarketing.co.uk]
  Sent: 2004年6月1日 2:20
  To: aphillips at webmethods.com; Mark E. Shoulson
  Cc: havard at hjulstad.com; 'Anthony Hoang'; ietf-languages at alvestrand.no
  Subject: RE: Question on ISO-639:1988


  Addison

  LS 639 (proposed as ISO 639-6 - Aug 2004) deals very well with language varieties - written and spoken (signed, audio and visual to be included).  Anyone interested in the development of this new standard may like to read the paper/workshop presented at LREC in Lisbon in order to see exactly what is being proposed.  Visit www.linguasphere.com - all comments and critisism most welcome at this stage of development.  Please feel free to sign up for the forum - although it has only just been created.

  Debbie
    -----Original Message-----
    From: ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no [mailto:ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no]On Behalf Of Addison Phillips [wM]
    Sent: 21 May 2004 20:55
    To: Mark E. Shoulson
    Cc: havard at hjulstad.com; 'Anthony Hoang'; ietf-languages at alvestrand.no
    Subject: RE: Question on ISO-639:1988


    Mark,

    Read the quoted sentence carefully. I did not use an absolute on purpose.

    ISO 639 is good at identifying languages, but there are many cases in which it is not sufficient enough to identify content narrowly. This is why we have RFC 3066 and why RFC 3066 is used prevalently in XML formats to indicate content language and to select content.

    The canonical example is 'zh', which identifies Chinese. Chinese comes in two written varieties, Simplified and Traditional, which are (even if you consider them to be mutually intelligible), not suitable for mixing and which should not be swapped one-for-the-other. The tags 'zh-Hant' and 'zh-Hans' identify this directly and the tags 'zh-TW' and 'zh-CN' have been used historically to to imply the separation.

    There are other variations that require regional or other separation, such as the various German or Spanish variations, etc., in which RFC 3066 makes a better choice.

    Addison

    Addison P. Phillips
    Director, Globalization Architecture
    webMethods | Delivering Global Business Visibility
    http://www.webMethods.com
    Chair, W3C Internationalization (I18N) Working Group
    Chair, W3C-I18N-WG, Web Services Task Force
    http://www.w3.org/International

    Internationalization is an architecture.
    It is not a feature. 

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Mark E. Shoulson [mailto:mark at kli.org]
      Sent: 2004年5月21日 11:47
      To: aphillips at webmethods.com
      Cc: havard at hjulstad.com; 'Anthony Hoang'; ietf-languages at alvestrand.no
      Subject: Re: Question on ISO-639:1988


      Addison Phillips [wM] wrote:

        Dear Anthony,

        Not to intrude, but ISO639 may not provide the best mechanism for tagging content language, especially in XML.
      If ISO639 isn't a good way to tag content language, then why is it there at all?  What else does it tag?

      ~mark
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