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At 20:29 12/08/2014, Vint Cerf wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">and that is likely the crux of
our disagreement because some of us, including me, think that we need
precision in IDNs to avoid multiple encodings that lead users into
thinking they have typed what they meant but they end up in the wrong
place because the DNS discovers a different registered string than the
one the user might have intended.<br><br>
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Shawn Steele
<<a href="mailto:Shawn.Steele@microsoft.com">
Shawn.Steele@microsoft.com</a>> wrote:
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<dd>(It's strange how the subject migrated to the changed one).<br>
<dd>I would prefer to err on the side of allowing people to type the
things they think they need to type.</blockquote>
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Correct. This has a name: subsidiarity. The reason why we were able to
accept the RFC 5895 text and get a consensus on IDNA2008 was that it
introduced the Internet/network way to support end to end external
diversity through subsidiarity at the fringe (RFC 1859) rather than at
multiples edges (edge providers and IDNA2003) or within the network (my
filter was simple no end to end MUST)<br><br>
RFC 6852 has paradigmatically approved this conclusion. I appealed it for
the very reason we discuss here: it means the end of an IAB enforced
unique mathematicality (the actual standards being used for economic
reasons do not need to be formal). I wanted this to be clarified. i.e.
ISOC to say if the internet architecture is hierarchical (I can appeal)
or heterarchical (there is no ultimate appeal). On March 14, 2013, the
NTIA's sentence was a political dynamic layer violation: it is to be
multistakeholderist :-) <br><br>
It is not a response our computers and protocols are yet used to.
However, ICANN has accepted to proceed that way, it means that the whole
"I*linear hierarchical logic leadership" has progressively
abdicated during the last 2 years [OpenStand: Aug. 22, 2012] in the hands
of the TNCs. <br><br>
This is reflected in the double constraint situation observed on Dec.
14th 2012, in Dubai, <br><br>
- the US BUG (being unilaterally global), after the Snowden revelated 36
years old Executive protectorate (1977) is to be normalized through
common US (colonial) jurisdiction by the removal of the NTIA (leadership
is back to the FCC) and money elected and lobbied Congress.<br><br>
- the RFC 6852 internet technical/commercial fragmentation as the
"economics of global markets, fueled by technological advancements,
drive global deployment of standards regardless of their formal
status" that "contribute to the creation of global communities,
benefiting humanity". <br><br>
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IMHO, we are now committed to the 1984 Tymnet/Extended Services
multitude/polycratic/agoric oriented meshed syllogistics. It is required
to address your IEN 48's second motivation which was to copy it.
<br><br>
Right now this will lead a few of us (some Libre IUsers) to consolidate
my EZoP, HomeRoot, SuperIANA, Happy-IP, M&M model issues under
the Libre "MYCANN" effort (not a competition, a
contengency response to the NTIA, just in case ....). <br><br>
I hope there will be others alternatives.<br><br>
This is interesting as it will lead to an entire architectonical review
of the networking domain (architectonics: comprehension of the
infrastratum, the bottom structure) and to basic notions such as
presentation layer, data/capta/tracta, meta/syllo/data, brainware,
intellition, quiddity and haeceity (that will also be most probably
fundamental in SDN and bigdata).<br><br>
And to VGNs (Virtual Glocal Networks) ... you introduced at the very
begining, with the key architectonical sentence: <br><br>
"The term "local" is used in a loose sense, here, since it
means "peculiar to the particular network" rather than "a
network of limited geographic extent." (probably a fundamental
contribution to the resolution of the disiciplinary unbiquitous
"locality problem"). <br><br>
For the fun of history: en of May 1978 Robert Tréhin and I went to visit
Louis Pouzin in order to propose him investingating a Cyclades VGN on
Tymnet under the ACT technology Tymnet unveiled in June. Unfortunately,
Louis explained us that he had no more budget and was to close Cyclades
(in october if I am right) while Transpac started operating officially in
september. A few billions users later on...<br><br>
Long delayed. <br>
Interesting.<br><br>
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