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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Dear Members of the DNSEXT WG,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>My name is Vaggelis Segredakis and I am the
Administrator of the Registry of the .gr ccTLD.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Since 2005 the .gr registry has provided our
registrants with the option to register domain names in Greek characters,
according to the IDNA2003 translation of IDN characters to Latin characters. Due
to the design of this protocol, it has been necessary for the registry to
bundle domain names that in Greek represent the same word but in the IDNA2003 the
representation is different PUNYCODE domain names. To reduce the cost of the
use of these domain names, the registry bundles them (with the use of DNAME) in
the .gr zone file. We strongly believe that the IDNA protocol should help to
ease the use of the domain names and not to present new obstacles to the end
users who should not be blamed if the domain name was typed in small or capital
letters. I do not wish to burden you with details but if you wish a more
elaborate analysis of the issues presented in the IDNA protocols for domain
names in Greek characters please refer to my presentations:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>-http://www.icann.org/en/meetings/lisbon/presentation-idns-greece-27mar07.pdf<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>-https://www.centr.org/main/5354-CTR/version/default/part/AttachmentData/data/IGF2009%20-%20Segredakis%20IDNA2008%20a%20Protocol%20with%20shortcomings.pdf<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Bundling these domain names with DNAME seemed like a
good choice but there is an issue that this way of bundling does not solve:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>If you have the domain name xn—1234.gr and you
bundle it with xn—5678.gr everything is fine - if you try to visit www.xn--5678.gr;
you will be redirected to www.xn--1234.gr. The same applies if you use ns1.xn—1234.gr;
it equals to ns1.xn—5678.gr. However, if you try to email user1@xn--5678.gr
it will never arrive at user1@xn--1234.gr because this bundling starts from the
next level and thus xn—1234.gr<>xn—5678.gr. The source of the
problem I am going to ask you to resolve is there…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Recently, as a member of the discussion of the IDNABIS
WG I tried to help resolving these issues by explaining them to that group. However
that group is not free to completely re-design the IDNA protocol to something
else but rather with small steps to reform it to something with fewer issues. Unfortunately,
on this process, one of the changes that are implemented lead to even more
names that have to be bundled together for each registrant. This makes it even
more significant to break this chain of cost for the end user.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> I ask you as a WG to either consider changing
DNAME to include the first layer and this way allow emails to be sent to user1@xn--5678.gr
and to be delivered to user1@xn--1234.gr or to present in DNS a new command
that works like DNAME with the upper layer included, let’s call it xNAME
for now. By presenting this xNAME you will allow the registries to bundle
domain names in a consistent way that has full functionality for the end user
who will be able to receive emails, view web pages, FTP e.t.c. using domain
names in his language without having to adapt a new protocol. This should be an
undisputable right for all the users who do not use the Latin alphabet, the
same as it is for Latin alphabet users.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I will be happy to answer any questions you might
have on my request. I would be even happier if this revision of the DNS was to
be presented along with IDNA2008 adoption from the IETF so that the registries
that really need this bundling are ready to use these new protocols
simultaneously for the benefit of the end users.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Kind Regards,</span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Vaggelis Segredakis</span></font><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Administrator of the .GR Top Level Domain</span></font><span
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Institute of Computer Science</span></font><span
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas</span></font><span
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Tel. +30-281-0391450</span></font><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Fax +30-281-0391451</span></font><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Email segred@ics.forth.gr</span></font><span
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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