<div style="margin-left: 80px;"><b>Adrew Sullivan, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:</b><br>"Nobody is trying to make domain name labels into language (well, maybe Jefsey's disciples are, but leave that aside), but we have to be realistic and understand that the utility and ease of a given set of labels is going to be heavily conditioned by the socio-linguistic background of the person." "Unfortunately, to that set the persons who assert that labels formed from characters taken from Arabic Script must be "words" must be added. So, Jefsey's disciples and a plurality of a vendor's forum, and I'd greatly prefer if it was just Jefsey's disciples."<br>
</div><br><br>Dear Colleagues,<br><br>I am surprised by this. I assumed the target was to assess the technical consensus in accepting to characters as PVALID. No to discriminate a consensus on people's opinions.<br><br>
One. Nobody is someone else's disciple, however some are others' employees. I suspect I qualify as a "Jefsey's disciple". I am not (we had a recent fundamental dispute on a mailing list which would disqualify me). We are Internet lead users (i.e. @larges), members of the <a href="mailto:iucg@ietf.org">iucg@ietf.org</a> mailing list, French speaking people gathered by the poor IDNA support of our French language orthotypography, we need to support our ".fra" project.<br>
<br>Two. This is no reason for "leaving them/us asside". They/we are equal members of this WG and equal contributors to its work. Actually, we already engaged work to stabilize its quick deployment trough best user practices publications (<a href="http://idna2010.org">http://idna2010.org</a>). Look we start being upset by all the dillatory blahblah. We want IDNA published ASAP, so we can build our own open Internet usage solutions and clarify the ICANN's attitude. <br>
<br>Three. I am at real loss when I try to understand how we could really help filling the gap between some IETF participants and real world users, when the matter is non protocol issues. Where I am certainly a supporter of Jefsey is in his efforts to help in this area. May be he is wrong, but I can only note how Jefsey is "left aside" by this WG. <br>
<br><div style="margin-left: 80px;"><b>Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:</b><br>"I don't know of any other organized group of "label to non-label" advocates attempting to change label semantics".<br></div>
<br>A part from billion people nations....<br><br>Anyway, I do know an organized group attempting to change the human semantics. <br>Actually, I am mainly interested in the only existing natural semantic processor (i.e. the human brain): its I/O protocols are languages, its syntax is orthotypographic. The Internet of the users?<br>
<br>Best<br><br>Patrick Suger.<br>