<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><!--StartFragment--><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none">Folks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none">We must achieve consensus on our documents and submit them
to the AD at or shortly after our WG meeting in Stockholm.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none">here is where I think we are:<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none">We have essential consensus on the five primary documents
(rationale, defs, bidi and protocol). There are ongoing discussions about some
specifics in Tables. We are also discussing the language of the sixth document
(mapping).<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Bidi and Tables have
expired as I-Ds and need to be re-issued.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none">"Internationalized Domain Names for Applications
(IDNA): Background,<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> Explanation, and Rationale", John Klensin,
18-Jun-09,<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <draft-ietf-idnabis-rationale-10.txt><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> "Internationalized Domain Names in Applications
(IDNA): Protocol", John<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> Klensin, 13-Jul-09,
<draft-ietf-idnabis-protocol-13.txt><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> "Internationalized Domain Names for
Applications (IDNA): Definitions and<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> Document Framework", John Klensin, 22-Jun-09,<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <draft-ietf-idnabis-defs-09.txt><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none">"An updated IDNA criterion for right-to-left
scripts", H. Alvestrand, C. Karp, 30-Nov-2008<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> < draft-ietf-idnabis-bidi-03.txt><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none">"The Unicode code points and IDNA", Patrik
Faltstrom, 22-Dec-2008,<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <draft-ietf-idnabis-tables-05.txt><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> "Mapping Characters in IDNA", Pete
Resnick, Paul Hoffman, 3-Jul-09,<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <draft-ietf-idnabis-mappings-01.txt><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none">Assuming we want to make reference to the mapping document
in rationale (and perhaps in protocol), we need to conclude how to do that.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none">We also need to modify the mapping document to perform the
sequence of mappings in an order that puts NFC mapping last and yet still
reduce user surprise. Editors Hoffman and Resnick have this responsibility
after the WG decides on which steps in which order are to be used.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none">We have already concluded (cf at IETF 74 and subsequently)
that the strings that are actually registered must be in U-Label form (or
A-Label form or both, assuming equivalence under the bidirectional punycoding
mechanism). How ever these strings are arrived at, the registrant should have a
clear understanding of the actual domain names that will be registered. I think
this implies that there should not be implicit mappings undertaken by the zone
registrar (using the term zone here in its most general sense, not just at TLD
or SLD levels) that might make it ambiguous exactly what domain name will be
found in the name server.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none">The procedure outlined in the mapping document is intended
to provide a means of reducing user surprise in part by emulating prior to look
up the behavior case insensitive behavior of the pure ASCII Domain Name regime
of the past. It is also intended to assure that the labels used in the lookup
process have characters expressed in Unicode Normal Form C. <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none">I would like to propose the following ideas for
discussion:<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none">1. Mapping should NOT be a MUST on lookup, to allow for
the fact that a substantial range of transformations may take place from the
time a possible DNS reference is input into an application to the point where a
DNS query is made. This suggests that RFC 2119 conformant language could read
“mapping MAY be performed on lookup.”<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none">2. There has been discussion whether the mapping document
should be silent with regard to RFC 2119 language. There is a range of
opinions. Unless the WG comes to consensus on wording that meets the RFC 2119
requirements, the document will remain the same. There remains a question of how
the mapping document should be referred from the protocol document. The WG
needs to come to consensus on that, applying the same requirements on meeting
the RFC 2119 requirements.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none">3. We need to finalize the Tables document. The WG mailing
list has been very active with discussions on this point. We must come to
closure at this meeting on the content of Tables. It would be appreciated and
the chair will attempt to enforce that we do not re-open matters upon
which<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>the WG has already reached
consensus.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none">Specifically, Eszett(sharp S) is PVALID. ZWJ and ZWNJ are
CONTEXTJ, TATWHEEL is DISALLOWED, Hangul JAMO are DISALLOWED, Final Sigma is
PVALID. <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none">Regarding Tables, Mark Davis appears to have captured
section F (exceptions) as follows:<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none">PVALID: // would otherwise have been DISALLOWED<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> 00DF; PVALID # LATIN SMALL
LETTER SHARP S<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> 03C2; PVALID # GREEK SMALL
LETTER FINAL SIGMA<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> 06FD; PVALID # ARABIC SIGN
SINDHI AMPERSAND<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> 06FE; PVALID # ARABIC SIGN
SINDHI POSTPOSITION MEN<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> 0F0B; PVALID # TIBETAN MARK
INTERSYLLABIC TSHEG<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> 3007; PVALID # IDEOGRAPHIC
NUMBER ZERO<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none">CONTEXTO: // would otherwise have been DISALLOWED<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> 00B7; CONTEXTO # MIDDLE DOT<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> 0375; CONTEXTO # GREEK LOWER NUMERAL
SIGN (KERAIA)<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> 05F3; CONTEXTO # HEBREW PUNCTUATION
GERESH<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> 05F4; CONTEXTO # HEBREW PUNCTUATION
GERSHAYIM<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> 30FB; CONTEXTO # KATAKANA MIDDLE DOT<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none">CONTEXTO: // would otherwise have been PVALID<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> U+002D; CONTEXTO # HYPHEN-MINUS<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>U+02B9;
CONTEXTO # MODIFIER LETTER PRIME<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> U+0660; CONTEXTO # ARABIC-INDIC DIGIT
ZERO<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> U+0661; CONTEXTO # ARABIC-INDIC DIGIT
ONE<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> U+0662; CONTEXTO # ARABIC-INDIC DIGIT
TWO<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> U+0663; CONTEXTO # ARABIC-INDIC DIGIT
THREE<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> U+0664; CONTEXTO # ARABIC-INDIC DIGIT
FOUR<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> U+0665; CONTEXTO # ARABIC-INDIC DIGIT
FIVE<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> U+0666; CONTEXTO # ARABIC-INDIC DIGIT
SIX<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> U+0667; CONTEXTO # ARABIC-INDIC DIGIT
SEVEN<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>U+0668;
CONTEXTO # ARABIC-INDIC DIGIT EIGHT<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> U+0669; CONTEXTO # ARABIC-INDIC DIGIT
NINE<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> U+06F0; CONTEXTO # EXTENDED ARABIC-INDIC
DIGIT ZERO<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> U+06F1; CONTEXTO # EXTENDED ARABIC-INDIC
DIGIT ONE<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> U+06F2; CONTEXTO # EXTENDED ARABIC-INDIC
DIGIT TWO<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> U+06F3; CONTEXTO # EXTENDED ARABIC-INDIC
DIGIT THREE<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> U+06F4; CONTEXTO # EXTENDED ARABIC-INDIC
DIGIT FOUR<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> U+06F5; CONTEXTO # EXTENDED ARABIC-INDIC
DIGIT FIVE<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> U+06F6; CONTEXTO # EXTENDED ARABIC-INDIC
DIGIT SIX<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> U+06F7; CONTEXTO # EXTENDED ARABIC-INDIC
DIGIT SEVEN<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> U+06F8; CONTEXTO # EXTENDED ARABIC-INDIC
DIGIT EIGHT<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> U+06F9; CONTEXTO # EXTENDED ARABIC-INDIC
DIGIT NINE<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> U+0483; CONTEXTO # COMBINING CYRILLIC
TITLO<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> U+3005; CONTEXTO # IDEOGRAPHIC ITERATION
MARK<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none">DISALLOWED: // would otherwise have been PVALID<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> U+302E; DISALLOWED # HANGUL SINGLE DOT TONE MARK<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> U+302F; DISALLOWED # HANGUL DOUBLE DOT TONE MARK<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none">In addition it has been proposed to DISALLOW the following
vertical formatting characters:<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">U+3031:
Lm: VERTICAL KANA REPEAT MARK<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">U+3032:
Lm: VERTICAL KANA REPEAT WITH VOICED SOUND MARK<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">U+3033:
Lm: VERTICAL KANA REPEAT MARK UPPER HALF<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">U+3034:
Lm: VERTICAL KANA REPEAT WITH VOICED SOUND MARK UPPER HALF<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">U+3035:
Lm: VERTICAL KANA REPEAT MARK LOWER HALF<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">U+303B:
Lm: VERTICAL IDEOGRAPHIC ITERATION MARK<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">U+07FA:
Lm:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>NKO LAJANYALAN</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none">I propose that we come prepared to resolve all of these
matters on the first day of the IETF meeting (Monday). If there are other
matters that WG members believe need to be addressed, please speak up!<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none">See you in Stockholm!<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;
text-autospace:none">Vint<o:p></o:p></p></body></html>