<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Sorry, but the bulk of the email on this subject was in favor of disallowing the character.<div><br></div><div>this is finished business.</div><div>vint</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jul 15, 2009, at 7:13 AM, Marie-France Berny wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Dear Vint,<br>I am afraid there is a misunderstanding. You may want to decide a rough consensus to DISALLOW TATWEEL at protocol level. But there was no 95% support. There is a full france@large discent that was also documented by ASIWG Iranian contributors. However, that discent is based upon good reasons that may be included in final consensus:<br> <br>- no DISALLOW should be imposed but adopted by the concerned parties and persons. (It would be like disallowing "w" because it could be replaced by "uu" in English). <br>- no DISALLOW should be imposed through a MUST<br> - no DISALLOW should be imposed at protocol level.<br><br>MFBerny<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/7/15 Vint Cerf <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vint@google.com">vint@google.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> I had reached a similar conclusion and I thought I said so on the list<br> but if not,<br> it seemed that 95% of the messages were in favor of disallowing this<br> character.<br> <font color="#888888"><br> v<br> </font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br> On Jul 14, 2009, at 8:19 PM, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:<br> <br> > I concur that the consensus on U+0640 ARABIC TATWEEL was (and probably<br> > still is) DISALLOWED.<br> ><br> > Action Item: PAF.<br> ><br> > Eric<br> ><br> > Kenneth Whistler wrote:<br> >> Michael said:<br> >><br> >><br> >>> There is one in Mongolian too.<br> >>><br> >><br> >> Michael is referring to U+180A MONGOLIAN NIRUGU, which<br> >> is another of these stem extenders in a cursive script.<br> >><br> >> However, unlike TATWEEL and NKO LAJANYALAN, U+180A<br> >> is gc=Po (Punctuation, Other), in part because it also<br> >> has another hyphen-like function in Mongolian. Because<br> >> it is classed as punctuation, U+180A is already defined<br> >> as DISALLOWED for IDNA in idnabis-tables-05.txt. So<br> >> there is nothing further in question about U+180A.<br> >><br> >> The issue is about explicitly disallowing U+0640 ARABIC TATWEEL<br> >> and U+07FA NKO LAJANYALAN, which are gc=Lm, and which<br> >> are still classed as PVALID in idnabis-tables-05.txt.<br> >> (But which, when we discussed this last, we had consensus<br> >> should be DISALLOWED, instead.)<br> >><br> >> --Ken<br> >><br> >><br> >>> On 14 Jul 2009, at 22:58, Mark Davis ⌛ wrote:<br> >>><br> >>><br> >>>> This may have slipped through the cracks...<br> >>>><br> >>>> Mark<br> >>>><br> >>>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 01:35, Vint Cerf <<a href="mailto:vint@google.com">vint@google.com</a>> wrote:<br> >>>> Not yet. I will post a call for consensus on that shortly. V<br> >>>><br> >>>><br> >>>> From: Kent Karlsson<br> >>>> To: Vint Cerf; <a href="mailto:idna-update@alvestrand.no">idna-update@alvestrand.no</a><br> >>>> Sent: Mon Apr 13 01:26:02 2009<br> >>>> Subject: Re: consensus on TATWEEL<br> >>>> I assume this also goes for U+07FA, NKO LAJANYALAN, which IIUC has<br> >>>> the same nature as TATWEEL.<br> >>>><br> >>>> /kent k<br> >>>><br> >><br> >> _______________________________________________<br> >> Idna-update mailing list<br> >> <a href="mailto:Idna-update@alvestrand.no">Idna-update@alvestrand.no</a><br> >> <a href="http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/idna-update" target="_blank">http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/idna-update</a><br> >><br> >><br> >><br> ><br> ><br> > _______________________________________________<br> > Idna-update mailing list<br> > <a href="mailto:Idna-update@alvestrand.no">Idna-update@alvestrand.no</a><br> > <a href="http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/idna-update" target="_blank">http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/idna-update</a><br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> Idna-update mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:Idna-update@alvestrand.no">Idna-update@alvestrand.no</a><br> <a href="http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/idna-update" target="_blank">http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/idna-update</a><br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>