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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>My name is Raed Al-Fayez I am from SaudiNIC (.sa ccTLD ) I have
just joined the mailing list (only yesterday).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I want to clarify on an important issue that have been raised recently:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I totally agree with Vint
conclusion on the digits issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The Marketing stuff
should not drive us far away from our goals since we might be ending with
mixing scripts!!! For example it may be so attractive to register something like
this “</span><span lang=AR-SA dir=RTL style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>مع</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>com” (which means ”with-you” written in Arabic & ASCII) and believe
me this is a real example that was used by one of the largest telecom providers
in the Middle east.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The example shown by
Aliriza “</span><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><span lang=AR-SA
dir=RTL>ش_/*</span><span lang=FA dir=RTL>۴</span><span lang=AR-SA dir=RTL>٤*/_.تست.کام</span><span
dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span> . <span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>” requires Internet users to switch
the keyboard layout in order to be able to type that domain (at least for
Arabic language users) and I think this is not the best choice to do marketing
and may confuse Internet users.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Another point I think
we should not give more power to the registries especially for the things that
can be handled and solved by the protocol levels in order to ensure the security
and stability of the Internet and domain names space. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>At the end I am from the .sa Registry and I am not focusing only
on my Registry or my market needs or my language community needs but trying to expand
it to the needs for all the Arabic-Script-based languages (that include more than
50 languages) and to ensure the security and stability for domain names written
using the Arabic-script regardless of any special/strange marketing needs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>With
best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Raed I.
Al-Fayez<br>
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Senior Information System Specialist<br>
Saudi Network Information Center (SaudiNIC) <br>
Communication and Information Technology Commission (CITC)<br>
Tel: + 966-1-2639235 - Fax: + 966-1-2639393<br>
<a href="http://www.nic.net.sa/">http://www.nic.net.sa</a></span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
idna-update-bounces@alvestrand.no [mailto:idna-update-bounces@alvestrand.no] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Vint Cerf<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 26, 2008 1:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Alireza Saleh<br>
<b>Cc:</b> John C Klensin; Eric Brunner-Williams; idna-update@alvestrand.no;
Patrik Fältström<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Follow-up to Monday's discussion of digits<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Alireza,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>point taken. So the delicate issue is where to draw the line
between protocol prohibition and dependence on registry filtering.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>v<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>NOTE NEW BUSINESS ADDRESS AND PHONE<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>Vint Cerf<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>Google<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>1818 Library Street, Suite 400<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>Reston, VA 20190<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>202-370-5637<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'><a href="mailto:vint@google.com">vint@google.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:black'><br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Nov 25, 2008, at 5:42 PM, Alireza Saleh wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Dear Vint,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Would you **please** consider that Arabic Language is not
the only language which<span class=apple-converted-space> </span>uses
Arabic-Script. Some countries such as Iran using both sets because 4-5-6 look
different in two sets.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>A registry for the security reasons may prohibit the
Digit-Mixing , but the domain's owner<span class=apple-converted-space> </span>may
want to mix it to attract the market.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>For example : please visit <span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><span lang=AR-SA dir=RTL>ش_/*</span><span
lang=FA dir=RTL>۴</span><span lang=AR-SA dir=RTL>٤*/_.تست.کام</span><span
dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span> . <span class=apple-converted-space>
</span>Is it really fare to prohibit it ?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>alireza<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Vint Cerf wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Eric,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>in the various email exchanges from Arabic working group(s),
I came away with the impression that a safer and apparently acceptable policy
would be to prohibit mixing of any of these three in the same label. That is
plainly more stringent than your proposal but I did not get the sense that the
working groups whose email exchanges I was privileged to see felt they needed
to mix any of these together.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Vint<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>2008/11/18 Eric Brunner-Williams
<ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net <<a href="mailto:ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net">mailto:ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net</a>>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Vint,
John, Paf, All,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>On
the question of what to do about the code points in the ranges<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>U+0030..U+0039,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>U+0660..U+0669,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>U+06F0..U+06F9,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>I
think that allowing only the first range is incorrect.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>I
think that allowing all three ranges is correct if a mechanism<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>for
equivalency exists.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Assuming
that no equivalence mechanism exists, for whatever<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>rational,
I think that allowing the first range, and only one of<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>the
second two ranges, is sufficient.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Outside
of the protocol, registries are free to implement a<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>registry-local
policy, which may restrict code points in a label<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>to
one range only, or one of two ranges, where one is in the<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>U+0030..U+0039
range, but not both of the ranges U+0660..U+0669<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>and
U+06F0..U+06F9.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>As I
mentioned yesterday, and as the jabber scribe correctly<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>summarized:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>ajsaf@jabber.org
<<a href="mailto:ajsaf@jabber.org">mailto:ajsaf@jabber.org</a>> Eric:
reject latin-only<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>ajsaf@jabber.org
<<a href="mailto:ajsaf@jabber.org">mailto:ajsaf@jabber.org</a>> accept
proposal for no<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>mix
between extended and non-extended<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>ajsaf@jabber.org
<<a href="mailto:ajsaf@jabber.org">mailto:ajsaf@jabber.org</a>> but
overboard to go further<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>There
are, as John rebutted, buggy input methods, but that can't<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>be
controlling.<o:p></o:p></p>
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