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Mark,<div><br></div><div>you and I had a similar impression but we should distinguish impressions from face/face meetings and gauging views from the list. I will try to formulate some possible consensus points and see whether we find support for them on the list.</div><div><br></div><div>vint</div><div><br></div><div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><div>NOTE NEW BUSINESS ADDRESS AND PHONE</div><div>Vint Cerf</div><div>Google</div><div>1818 Library Street, Suite 400</div><div>Reston, VA 20190</div><div>202-370-5637</div><div><a href="mailto:vint@google.com">vint@google.com</a></div><div><br></div></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></span></span> </div><br><div><div>On Aug 27, 2008, at 7:40 PM, Mark Davis wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">I'm a bit surprised. My impression is that in general people distinctly did not want to see a preprocessing document as part of IDNAbis, and that John and others didn't want to even see it as a separate IETF document.<br> <br>I'm not sure why you can't see the document. Can you try again, and is anyone else having trouble?<br><br clear="all">Mark<br> <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Patrik Fältström <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:patrik@frobbit.se">patrik@frobbit.se</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="Ih2E3d"><br> On 21 aug 2008, at 01.59, Mark Davis wrote:<br> <br> > Based on comments from John and others at the meeting, however, it<br> > appears<br> > that the working group is fundamentally not interested in having a<br> > common<br> > specification for a mapping phase be part of the IDNAbis, and that<br> > it would<br> > be better done by organizations like Unicode or others. Based on<br> > that, I<br> > modified the draft at <a href="http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dfqr8rd5_51c3nrskcx" target="_blank">http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dfqr8rd5_51c3nrskcx</a><br> > , and<br> > submitted it to the UTC for consideration.<br> <br> <br> </div>A few things:<br> <br> I have not seen this consensus you refer to. The contrary. I see<br> support for such a document.<br> <br> I personally support such a document in the IETF, and have told you<br> and everyone I have been asked.<br> <br> The URI you have above does not resolve. I get back a 404.<br> <br> Regarding earlier versions of this document, I think it is a fine<br> start, but too bound to "web based applications". I.e. ok as such, but<br> if applicable to more protocols than web/http, it could be more<br> generic. But see comments on in what order the wg have cycles for<br> working on multiple documents and multiple threads.<br> <font color="#888888"><br> Patrik<br> </font><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br> _______________________________________________<br> Idna-update mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:Idna-update@alvestrand.no">Idna-update@alvestrand.no</a><br> <a href="http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/idna-update" target="_blank">http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/idna-update</a><br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Idna-update mailing list</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="mailto:Idna-update@alvestrand.no">Idna-update@alvestrand.no</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/idna-update">http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/idna-update</a></div> </blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>