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Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:34:41 +0200
To: "Peter Constable" <petercon@microsoft.com>,
	harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>
From: "JFC (Jefsey) Morfin" <jefsey@jefsey.com>
Subject: Re: Enough is enough: Intent to file an RFC 3683 against
  Jefsey Morfin (Harald Tveit Alvestrand)
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On 11:48 30/08/2005, Peter Constable said:
> > From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>
> > At the moment, learning that Jefsey's opinions can be ignored is a
> > part of the initiation process for new IETF participants in the fora
> > he frequents. I think that's a steep learning curve.
>
>The difficulty isn't in learning when they should be ignored, but rather
>in knowing that they *will* be ignored by others. People can form their
>own opinions of his comments very quickly, but it takes a while to
>discover what others' opinions might be.

I think you discovered that through two failed Last Calls, don't you?
Do you want to learn it also soon through your own marketeers and management?

Don't you think it is time to ally?
I have all the time. You don't.
You will only be delaying the interests of the users, and hence of 
your own corporations, by years and billions.
While a single sentence would speed it up....
jfc

PS. Thank you for these two false steps of you both: it helped a lot. 
And I am now on vacations from the Draft.