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At 16:57 29/08/2005, Doug Ewell wrote:
>r&d afrac <rd at afrac dot org> wrote:
>
> > "RFC 3774 2.2.6: Members of this affinity group tend to talk more
> > freely to each other and former members of the affinity group - this
> > may be because the affinity group has also come to share a cultural
> > outlook which matches the dominant cultural ethos of the IETF (North
> > American,  English speaking).  Newcomers to the organization and
> > others outside the affinity group are reluctant to challenge the
> > apparent authority of the extended affinity group during debates and
> > consequently influence remains concentrated in a relatively small
> > group of people.
>
>Quick show of hands:  How many people think M. Morfin has been hampered
>by a reluctance to challenge the rest of the Working Group?

Read to line below in the mail.

> > This reluctance may also be exacerbated if participants come from a
> > different cultural background than the dominant one."
>
>Which of your objections to the draft are based on your French-speaking,
>French-national cultural affiliation, such that they would not be
>adequately understood by North Americans or English speakers?

This is the other way around. The specifics of a koine (a lingua 
franca, common language) make it different from other languages.

>Not everything is discrimination.  Consider the possibility that the
>objections to your proposals have a technical basis, rather than being
>ad-hominem.

The ad-hominems certainly have a technical basis. The problem is to 
resolve them technically. Not to keep it at ad-hominem level
Cheers.
jfc


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