Return-Path: Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([unix socket]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Cyrus v2.1.11-Mandrake-RPM-2.1.11-1mdk) with LMTP; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:14:08 +0100 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAE8E61C01; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:14:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14157-04; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:14:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D37061C02; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:14:03 +0100 (CET) X-Original-To: ietf-languages@alvestrand.no Delivered-To: ietf-languages@alvestrand.no Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96C4261BF7 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:14:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14084-08 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:13:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from montage.altserver.com (montage.altserver.com [63.247.74.122]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 380E661BED for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:13:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from lns-p19-1-idf-82-251-91-4.adsl.proxad.net ([82.251.91.4] helo=jfc.afrac.org) by montage.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1CqhwN-0002Xj-07; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:13:51 -0800 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050117235155.07ab6750@mail.jefsey.com> X-Sender: jefsey+jefsey.com@mail.jefsey.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:52:34 +0100 To: "Doug Ewell" , From: "JFC (Jefsey) Morfin" In-Reply-To: <00a901c4fcdf$0442a6c0$030aa8c0@DEWELL> References: <20050117110003.38F6461BE5@eikenes.alvestrand.no> <00a901c4fcdf$0442a6c0$030aa8c0@DEWELL> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-3D417088 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - alvestrand.no X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jefsey.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at alvestrand.no Cc: Subject: Re: language tag structure X-BeenThere: ietf-languages@alvestrand.no X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Language tag discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no Errors-To: ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at alvestrand.no At 22:53 17/01/2005, Doug Ewell wrote: >If this is supposed to be some kind of sarcastic caricature of the process >used by the supporters of RFC 3066bis, it is not constructive and it is >not appreciated. No. And I do regret this hurting remark. This "ietf-language@alvestrand.no" mailing list has made a complex private Internet standard process "BCP" Draft. It does not address all language related tagging needs. I therefore prepare a document for information one the way we will have addressed them all, once they have stabilized and been demonstrated. I will also engage a BCP 025 process for a WG-Tags to be created in order to address the information tagging needs in a consistent way. The purpose of my mail was to make sure no one saw a problem with the parts which wants to address the needs discussed on this list. I have no reason to suppose the responses I received were not loyal and genuine. They have discussed parts for being outside of the scope of their draft what was not the question. They have not discussed parts in their own scope. I just wander how long will it take for some to understand that "gerrymandering", "odious", "demands", "is not appreciated", ad hominems, political agendas are not the best way to get adherence and to reach a consensus. The ultimate judgement of an IETF document is to be accepted by the users. jfc _______________________________________________ Ietf-languages mailing list Ietf-languages@alvestrand.no http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/ietf-languages