Return-Path: Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([unix socket]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Cyrus v2.1.11-Mandrake-RPM-2.1.11-1mdk) with LMTP; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:22:56 +0100 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2293861BE5; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 19:22:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08891-05; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 19:22:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A2A61C18; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 19:22:51 +0100 (CET) X-Original-To: ietf-languages@alvestrand.no Delivered-To: ietf-languages@alvestrand.no Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6968A61BE5 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 19:22:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08891-03 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 19:22:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from pechora.icann.org (pechora.icann.org [192.0.34.35]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 300F161B8D for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 19:22:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from montage.altserver.com (montage.altserver.com [63.247.74.122]) by pechora.icann.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j07IMY432687 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:22:34 -0800 Received: from lns-p19-19-idf-82-249-7-129.adsl.proxad.net ([82.249.7.129] helo=jfc.afrac.org) by montage.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1Cmyl1-0003P2-SU; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:22:44 -0800 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050107190738.047b8eb0@mail.jefsey.com> X-Sender: jefsey+jefsey.com@mail.jefsey.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:14:05 +0100 To: "Peter Constable" , From: "JFC (Jefsey) Morfin" In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-40C4E61 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - iana.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jefsey.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at alvestrand.no Cc: Subject: RE: Language tags, the phillips draft, and procedures X-BeenThere: ietf-languages@alvestrand.no X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Language tag discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no Errors-To: ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at alvestrand.no At 18:05 07/01/2005, Peter Constable wrote: >For my part, I won't say I'm frustrated by the analysis you gave; just >disappointed that I haven't been able to get us closer to the place >where we agree on what the dichotomies are, which I had hoped to do. I fully join Peter's point of view and frustration. Because the only real problem is not in the draft but in the way its authors are (willingly if I read Addison correctly) locked into a universal BCP, instead of an area of application practice documentation. If the RFC 3066 users want to improve language tagging one way, good to them. But it is not acceptable that this becomes _the_ IANA way the Internet community shall have to tag languages from now on. What concerns me more is the real usage of the RFC 3066 because I realize that the usage fragmentation we want to avoid, already exists. jfc _______________________________________________ Ietf-languages mailing list Ietf-languages@alvestrand.no http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/ietf-languages