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Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 15:54:16 +0100
To: Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr>
From: "J-F C. (Jefsey)  Morfin" <jefsey@club-internet.fr>
Subject: [ga] Re: Is there still a GNSO?
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At 13:39 03/01/2005, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:

>On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 01:27:13PM +0100,
>  J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin <jefsey@club-internet.fr> wrote
>  a message of 27 lines which said:
>
> > this may be a way for us the users to show the inability of ICANN to
> > address their concerns and their evolution.
>
>This is easy (same thing if you replace ICANN by ITU). Showing the
>ability of the Internet users to "address their concerns and their
>evolution" is the difficult part.

I know. I fully agree on the two points. In a certain way we are not alone.
http://news.com.com/Preparing+for+a+doomsday+attack/2008-7348_3-5503100.html?tag=alert

My bet/feeling is that we are now on the verge of a big user architecture 
change which may be an innovation tide of which NATs, VoIP, P2P were only 
the first waves. The same as master centric systems became network centric 
with the Internet "revolution", I suspect we are increasingly back to a 
user centric cultural "maturation" (like a 3rd generation). ICANN and ITU 
have cons and pros but cannot be the only structures for the whole digital 
intergovernance. This is why I suggest an ITU-I sector to interface users 
networks, the same as ICANN has set-up the GAC to interface Govs. The real 
problem IMHO is the confusion between accidental aspects, such as the 
legacy DNS and IPv6 plans, with the organization of the whole digital 
ecosystem.

Our desillusion is great when people see they have no impact on the 
bulldozers and the huge amount of money put into the road ICANN and USG 
build for the world. We can all understand and accept that. Except that 
this road most probably leads to nowhere.

I know it because the OSI/Internet vision was never mine, and because for 
that reason I was for a long not even understood. But now I meet an 
increasing understanding and even some very serious support. Not big yet 
:-) but clear enough to sense that things are changing. This no more rebell 
P2P against network centric, but a rising top (in quality and power) and 
documented interests, time to time supported by the emergence of (sometimes 
decade old or more) converging efforts.

This is why I feel it is time to start considering. Doing it in here, on 
the grounds of naming, at the TFIPv6 for numbering and routing, at IETF for 
multilingualism, etc. might help preserve the chances of a smooth 
transition (there is a large co-investment to protect). And to avoid the 
balkanization spotted by Vixie and the fragmentation documented by 
Gorichon. Another solution would be to match the challenge and to build it 
and finance it ourselves the response. I am less and less sure we cannot do 
it (all the more it represents a huge - yet different -commercial 
opportunity some should eventually understand). If the GNSO only helped to 
investigate it, it would have been quite usefull. All the more if this 
helped the tide not to be a tsunami.

"First they ignore you, then they laught at you, then they fight you, then 
you win". said Gandhi: I only wish we could change the end into "we win". 
The big change is that the "3rd generation" standalone gateways we sold 20 
years ago, to countries and large organizations, before the OSI/Internet 
episode, costed $ 250.000 each: you can have them this year for $ 125 at 
the next computer shop.

Here is on of the small change. It took time to make it. But now we have 
done it and can proceed.
jfc