Return-Path: Received: from murder ([unix socket]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Cyrus v2.2.8-Mandrake-RPM-2.2.8-4.2.101mdk) with LMTPA; Sat, 09 Jul 2005 05:03:03 +0200 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A4761B03 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 05:03:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18768-07 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 05:02:59 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.4.8 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BB2961B5C for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 05:02:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dr5bf-0006gq-On; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 23:02:19 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dr5be-0006gk-0S for ltru@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 23:02:18 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA02990 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 23:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from montage.altserver.com ([63.247.74.122]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dr639-0002Xd-Vc for ltru@ietf.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 23:30:44 -0400 Received: from ver78-2-82-241-91-24.fbx.proxad.net ([82.241.91.24] helo=jfc.afrac.org) by montage.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1Dr5bY-0004dD-5h; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 20:02:12 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050709040106.0567d070@mail.afrac.org> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 04:44:15 +0200 To: "Mark Davis" , "Randy Presuhn" , From: r&d afrac Subject: Re: [Ltru] [psg.com #1061] eliminate (or proscribe)Private Use Tags In-Reply-To: <002701c58423$e11e0550$6501a8c0@sanjose.ibm.com> References: <42CF079D.4000003@megared.net.mx> <009101c58416$14677a80$7f1afea9@oemcomputer> <20050708233753.GJ4776@NYCMJCOWA2> <009501c5841c$a8d047a0$9b753009@sanjose.ibm.com> <016201c58421$970fa7e0$7f1afea9@oemcomputer> <002701c58423$e11e0550$6501a8c0@sanjose.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - afrac.org X-Scan-Signature: bb8f917bb6b8da28fc948aeffb74aa17 Cc: X-BeenThere: ltru@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ltru-bounces@lists.ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@lists.ietf.org X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at alvestrand.no At 03:16 09/07/2005, Mark Davis wrote: >(2) "Private-use subtags have no meaning outside of a private agreement >between parties. They may also be given different meanings by different >private agreements between those or other parties. Thus they SHOULD NOT be >used wherever there is alternative, and they SHOULD NOT be used in content >or protocols intended for general use. Private-use subtags, like all other >subtags, MUST conform to the format constraints specified in the ABNF. > >What do you think of that? Dear Mark and Randy, I submit that this is not a very important change in text, but it translates an important change in the spirit of RFC 3066. This is a true lack of spirit retrocompatibility. I have nothing against that. To the contrary the abandon of strict retrocompatbility permits interesting other innovations. But I do not want to suggest them without being supported by a consensus, otherwise Randy will say I rise closed issues. There are 57 folks on this list. I suppose that we could say that this proposition is supported by a consensus if 29 (50% +1) supports it. Either this proposition is adopted by consensus (I support it), strict retrocompatibility is forgotten: then I will propose something everyone could agree with to replace x-tags (but which would be opposed now on the grounds of retrocompatibility) - or it is not and we will continue with x-tags. So please every supporter of this change, and/or opponent to x-tags as we want to use them rises hand or humms. Those who supports x-tags, IMHO you can support Mark's text because if strict retrocompatibility is abandonned, the solution I would propose could even be better. But there is no need to work on it if there is not a real consensus. Thank you. jfc _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru