Return-Path: Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([unix socket]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Cyrus v2.1.11-Mandrake-RPM-2.1.11-1mdk) with LMTP; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 11:31:59 +0100 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15C0161BF6; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 11:31:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13596-10; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 11:31:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AAF761C23; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 11:31:54 +0100 (CET) X-Original-To: ietf-languages@alvestrand.no Delivered-To: ietf-languages@alvestrand.no Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4043D61BF6 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 11:31:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13596-08 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 11:31:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from montage.altserver.com (montage.altserver.com [63.247.74.122]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D9AA61B96 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 11:31:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from lns-p19-1-idf-82-251-85-156.adsl.proxad.net ([82.251.85.156] helo=jfc.afrac.org) by montage.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1D2oNM-0004it-FI; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 02:31:45 -0800 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050220111732.02d81b00@mail.jefsey.com> X-Sender: jefsey+jefsey.com@mail.jefsey.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 11:30:20 +0100 To: Frank Ellermann , ietf-languages@alvestrand.no From: "JFC (Jefsey) Morfin" In-Reply-To: <42181E86.62C6@xyzzy.claranet.de> References: <20050218110003.67CE5621DB@eikenes.alvestrand.no> <001e01c516b1$79835600$030aa8c0@DEWELL> <6.1.2.0.2.20050219213242.04fb4cf0@mail.jefsey.com> <4217EEA1.4313@xyzzy.claranet.de> <6.1.2.0.2.20050220043120.02d751f0@mail.jefsey.com> <42181E86.62C6@xyzzy.claranet.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - alvestrand.no X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jefsey.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at alvestrand.no Cc: Subject: Re: Region subtags under 3066 and 3066bis (long) X-BeenThere: ietf-languages@alvestrand.no X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Language tag discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no Errors-To: ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at alvestrand.no At 06:22 20/02/2005, Frank Ellermann wrote: >JFC (Jefsey) Morfin wrote: > > > I may have fully missed your point? > >Two points: If anybody confused FK and FQ it wasn't me. No one confused FK and FQ. You confused the question. You used the case of FQ and soved it IMHO wrongly in quoting TF. I rose the case where Malvinas/Falkland would be suppressed as FQ was and asked where you would put it. My point is that the IETF is not in the business of deciding/discunting what country are or should be. I fully documented why we chose RFC 3166 alpha-2 in a context which is NOT the context of languages. And why using a political grid instead of a geographical grid to support linguistic table is the source of all these unnecessary debates. >And "blood and soil" is a case of "Godwin". Bye, Frank Soil, blood and flag are the traditionnal source of nationality right. You may be a citizen of a country by right of the soil (where you are born), by right of the blood (the citizenship of parents you are born from), the decision of a State (naturalization). The order of priority of soil, blood and flag defintes the policy of citizenship. In the case of the study of languages the priority should be to the soil (geographical), then to blood (emigrations), then flag (influence of the political sovereignty changes). For example the debate over "CS" is absurd. jfc _______________________________________________ Ietf-languages mailing list Ietf-languages@alvestrand.no http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/ietf-languages