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To: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>
From: "JFC (Jefsey) Morfin" <jefsey@jefsey.com>
Subject: Re: WGIG (Re: ASCII diff of ISOC-proposed changes to BCP)
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On 17:44 10/02/2005, Harald Tveit Alvestrand said:
>Jefsey,
>I think you can take it as a given that the IETF will not be providing any 
>explicit input into the WGIG process.

I did not asked so much. Just wanted to make sure no one felt concerned by 
the world.

>  ISOC is an active participant in the process, and many IETF participants 
> are, but IETF the standards maker is not.

Only Avri is in the WGIG. She is there as civil society.

>Instead, the IETF will continue formulating standards that may help solve 
>the problems as they are encountered. That's what the IETF is about.

"standard" is a great word. The world is waiting for simple clear robust 
building block definition. IETF could formulate them upon IAB guidance. 
Actually I know for 20 years they cannot do otherwise. This is something 
which was taught to Jon Postel, Steve Crocker, etc. as students. The 
Internet system cannot change: dumb network, end to end, protocol on the 
wire cannot be multilingual by essence.

>If that is not what you are talking about, I have failed to understand you 
>again. I am certain that I don't know what you mean by "bidder".

You do not fail to understand me (except for the Franglish). There are only 
three possible visions of a network. Doug Engelbart's (ARPANET), Louis 
Pouzin (Catenet) and real life. Host centric, network centric and user 
centric. I know Louis for nearly 30 years (we created Eurolinc together) 
and I shown 20 years ago that I could not make a business with Doug's 
systems. Now the constraints due to the cost of the host and of the 
bandwidth are fading away, we can resume the initially costly/complex user 
oriented approach.

The internet cannot be multilingual. It has to be multi-internet first. 
This is not that much complex, but IETF will never want it.
Take care. Thank you for trying.
jfc

PS. A bidder is a person/entity who responds to an RFP.