Return-Path: Received: from murder ([unix socket]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Cyrus v2.2.8-Mandrake-RPM-2.2.8-4.2.101mdk) with LMTPA; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 02:10:58 +0200 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 998A361B61 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 02:10:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18751-02 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 02:10:54 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.4.8 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D05461B43 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 02:10:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DqgRx-0003or-1A; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 20:10:37 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DqgRq-0003oI-0L for ltru@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 20:10:34 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA18078 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 20:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from montage.altserver.com ([63.247.74.122]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dqgt7-0001ZU-Px for ltru@ietf.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 20:38:42 -0400 Received: from ver78-2-82-241-91-24.fbx.proxad.net ([82.241.91.24] helo=jfc.afrac.org) by montage.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1DqgRn-0000Ry-O4; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 17:10:28 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050707223847.04022bc0@mail.afrac.org> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 22:53:57 +0200 To: Karen_Broome@spe.sony.com, ltru@ietf.org From: r&d afrac Subject: RE: [Ltru] Re: does the Draft gives all the guidelinesrequired by the Registry In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - afrac.org X-Scan-Signature: 82c9bddb247d9ba4471160a9a865a5f3 Cc: X-BeenThere: ltru@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ltru-bounces@lists.ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@lists.ietf.org X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at alvestrand.no At 21:59 07/07/2005, Karen_Broome@spe.sony.com wrote: >I did not initially respond to Jefsey's e-mail because some of the text >that concerned him was not mine (and will be removed) and I did not feel >that arguing with these points with someone who questions the validity of >my native language would be productive. ????? could you explain that ???? thank you. >* Any concerns Jefsey might have that I am part of Peter and Addison's >secret kabal that wants to rule the world one language at a time are >unfounded. ?????? You have never been considered, except because you were considered and I documented why you should not. ?????? Secret Kabal? I think Unicode is documented commercial consortium (I am a paying member of) whose members have legitimate interests. The only difficulty is - as documented by IAB - these commercial interests should seriously pay attention to common and public interest and to other types of traffic rather than exclusively to their own propositions. All this is perfectly documented in RFC 3869 (this is its main thesis according to its authors). The ways of this type of lack of attention are documented in RFC 3774. I only suggest that everyone accepts these analysis of the IETF, as normal part of the culture of an IETF WG, and that we can work together in a normal manner. I also suggest that this kind of ad hominem does not help. >I do not propose myself as the ruler of all that is Latin >American Spanish. Nor does Sony Pictures. I am simply entering my name and >e-mail so that anyone who needs further information about the registration >can contact me. I do not use my personal e-mail address for such purposes. Once again, you are not concerned by all this. This mail and your confusion are only the proof that the current procedure (which not the one of the Draft) is inadequate. Even in misreading someone else positions, Karen should never have felt concerned. The best way to make sure of that is never to mention the name of the requested. I submit that this give more liberty to everyone to support or to oppose. >The people who need these tags are most often not authorities on >individual languages. They are people who need to describe whole sets of >languages and linguistic concepts. Yes. This is why I say that if we have to come to qualify the requesters they should be authoritative or users. But I prefer anonymous proponent and discussion over the advisability (confusion, impacts, etc.) of the registration. > I do what I can to increase the breadth >of my linguistic knowledge through my work at Sony Pictures, personal >research, and my involvement on this list. Be thanked for that. jfc _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru