Return-Path: Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([unix socket]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Cyrus v2.1.11-Mandrake-RPM-2.1.11-1mdk) with LMTP; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:32:01 +0100 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B9961C19 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:32:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13868-01 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:31:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id E291E61BD6 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:31:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1DBXeH-000BgL-Bo for idn-data@psg.com; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:29:17 +0000 Received: from [63.247.76.195] (helo=montage.altserver.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.44 (FreeBSD)) id 1DBXeG-000Bg6-2x for idn@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:29:16 +0000 Received: from lns-p19-19-idf-82-254-246-100.adsl.proxad.net ([82.254.246.100] helo=jfc.afrac.org) by montage.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1DBXeE-0007HA-FF; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 04:29:14 -0800 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050316131141.03590c50@mail.jefsey.com> X-Sender: jefsey+jefsey.com@mail.jefsey.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:28:22 +0100 To: Simon Josefsson From: "JFC (Jefsey) Morfin" Subject: Re: [idn] Re: stability Cc: idn@ops.ietf.org In-Reply-To: References: <421B8484.3070802@vanderpoel.org> <421D8411.9030006@vanderpoel.org> <421E0D0C.2000309@vanderpoel.org> <421E30F2.1040408@vanderpoel.org> <0E7F74C71945B923C52211F3@scan.jck.com> <421EA0C9.1010500@vanderpoel.org> <00a401c51af3$7863aae0$030aa8c0@DEWELL> <42322CE2.4040509@vanderpoel.org> <4232B2FD.1080104@vanderpoel.org> <4232BA56.5090001@vanderpoel.org> <00e801c528a8$99ad37d0$72703009@sanjose.ibm.com> <42367B63.6080300@vanderpoel.org> <4237450A.9010901@v.loewis.de> <423754F3.50405@vanderpoel.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ops.ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jefsey.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Sender: owner-idn@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at alvestrand.no On 22:53 15/03/2005, Simon Josefsson said: >I believe it would be useful to start thinking of the problem in terms >of a transition plan from what we have today and what we would like to >have tomorrow. It is not clear to me exactly what we would like to >have tomorrow, so settling that would have to be part of the plan as >well. That part seems quite easy to address. We want to be PAD compatible, so the users have a single system. This means that we may have three systems: Unicode to IP tables Unicode to DN tables Unicode to lingual SLD to display as a lingual TLD tables using NameScript tables listing the Unicode codes permitted throught out the FQMLDN to prevent homograph problems. Every label being an ACE label in an MLDN, ASCII in an ascii label. The general construct being labels.table-indicator.tld. The table indicator being by default the table indicator of the TLD. This way existing ascii TLDs are label.ascii-indicator.tld (the ascii indicator is not necessary). The same for a Chinese TLD, chinese.chinese-indicator.tld: the chinese indicator is not necessary. Every label part of a MLDN is subject to a punycode translation and a nameprep removing the codes not compatible with its indicator. This fully permits atypical domain names to be registered in using a no-filtered indicator, easy to underline in an application display. This also permits table-indicator.TLD to be converted in the proper MLTLD display or from the MLTLD entry. This is obvsiously fully compatible with the DNS and ask no complex special program, procedures, contract by Registries. No need for lingual users to switch to Handles. It can even support phonetic, menu server, icon based vernacular names. This is also what is already in use. This is what the initial demand was for. jfc