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To: Frank Ellermann <nobody@xyzzy.claranet.de>, ltru@ietf.org
From: "JFC (Jefsey) Morfin" <jefsey@jefsey.com>
Subject: Re: [Ltru] Re: "Obsolete" region subtags
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At 03:56 15/03/2005, Frank Ellermann wrote:
>JFC (Jefsey) Morfin wrote:
>  > At 04:10 14/03/2005, Doug Ewell wrote:
>[...]
> > I note that my position is exactly described in your
> > "And I'm convinced
>[...]
>That wasn't Doug, it was me in another article, and Doug only
>answered it in another article, please don't confuse this.

Dear Frank,
Apologies. The point was well made anyway.

> > I suggest you bring the problem where it really belongs: to
> > the UN General Assembly.
>
>Now wait a moment, I know that UK is no country code and only
>a ccTLD, just like everybody else here on this list.

This is not fully exact, and this is the point.

>We don't need the UN for this "problem".  We can only decide to use IANA 
>as source (indirectly almost the same as ISO 3166), or we use ISO 3166 
>directly.  For "we" read:  the future tag reviewer.

I am afraid you can, but you will be blocked if this is not what the 
British Government wants (they are the one who accepted UK, GG, JJ, IM.. 
through ICANN, and GB through ISO).

You cannot _decide_ to use the IANA or ISO source. You can propose an RFC, 
but again the one who will decide (as for any RFC) is the market, and this 
market in this case starts with the Governments who made their point load 
and clear (WSIS) and who may say it at GAC level.

What I try to make understood is that the document this WG will produce 
will be counterproductive if it is not supported by the entities in charge 
(Governments) and their usual delegates (GAC, national NICs, Culture 
Ministries, Academic and Computer people), their common bodies (ISO, ITU, 
UNESCO, WSIS) and their national users. Worst, if it is opposed.

>"We" could also mix these strategies, accept all ccTLDs (= be
>liberal in what you accept), but generate only the official
>CCs.  There's no best way to do it, supporting UK is horrible,
>but not supporting IM is also a pain.

We should stop talking about ccTLDs. They blur the picture. We are talking 
of country codes and of local Internet communities, of people. These people 
have a Government to represent them. We do not represent them. We are 
simply to serve them the way they want. If we do not do that we will lose 
them and we will lose our credibility as a global system, what means we 
could close the shop.

To help us understand how we stand. When referring to a network issue we 
often think of hierarchies. This is the root (:-) of most of our 
misunderstandings. Network, and the real world you propose something to 
(such as this Draft), are not hierarchical (centralized) and ruled by 
RFCs.They are not even decentralized (meshed top like in the DNS, with 
local hierarchy) with some opinion leaders to convice. Real life networking 
is granular and distributed. DNS is just a default hierarchical vision of 
the universal namespace. As are the CLDR proposed locales.

As soon as you accept this, you see you can support whatever people want, 
without any big problem (may be some challenges :-), and everyone will 
support you. But I accept it may change a few things, not my fault: see 
Paul Bahan.

jfc






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