Return-Path: Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([unix socket]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Cyrus v2.1.11-Mandrake-RPM-2.1.11-1mdk) with LMTP; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:24:31 +0100 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78B8C61BDB for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:24:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09992-08 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:24:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B8B61B93 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:24:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DAT30-00083t-0U; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 08:22:22 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DAT2w-00083o-Rv for ietf@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 08:22:18 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA06769 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 08:22:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from [63.247.76.195] (helo=montage.altserver.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DAT6M-0008Kd-5p for ietf@ietf.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 08:25:51 -0500 Received: from lns-p19-2-idf-82-251-107-40.adsl.proxad.net ([82.251.107.40] helo=jfc.afrac.org) by montage.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1DAT2t-0001Sj-Lv; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 05:22:16 -0800 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050313135924.042aa1d0@mail.jefsey.com> X-Sender: jefsey+jefsey.com@mail.jefsey.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:22:10 +0100 To: jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa), ietf@ietf.org From: "JFC (Jefsey) Morfin" In-Reply-To: <20050313120913.E4FFC86AED@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> References: <20050313120913.E4FFC86AED@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jefsey.com X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 Cc: Subject: Re: Why? X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF-Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ietf-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ietf-bounces@ietf.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at alvestrand.no At 13:09 13/03/2005, Noel Chiappa wrote: >So, yeah, it *is* easier to deploy first and then later make incremental >modifications for scalability - if you like NAT. May I venture a silly question? What is a NAT today? I prefer speaking of coreboxes with (among others) a NAT service (*) (as edge smart boxes opposed to middleboxes) and of telemates or endboxes for a non host boxes (sensors, actuators, appliances, etc.). There are 3 billions telephones,1.3 billions mobiles, 3 billions of TV, 4 billions of radio listeners. Each of them needs an IPv6 address today with 10 to 1000 extensions to support their SNHN (small network/home network) and their "endboxes". Only IPv6, as an IPv4 with longer address" can support them. In that sense I understand IPv6 as the scalability of the initial IPv4 deployment (this has actually nothing todo with IPv6, just with the availability of the numbers for the necessary scaling and directory/routing organization). Obviously a "user" point of view. Where am I wrong? jfc PS (*) as many other services like firewall, application protection, email servers, local NIC and nameservers, OPES, webserver, backup manager, CVS, creditcard transaction, encryption, etc. _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf