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Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 14:26:41 +0100
To: Vittorio Bertola <vb@bertola.eu.org>,
	Danny Younger <dannyyounger@yahoo.com>
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At 10:36 09/03/2005, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
>I think that icannatlarge.com/org was an exceptional experience, but it
>proved how hard (perhaps impossible) it is to build a purely online
>organization among people who don't share anything - culture,
>objectives, ideals, proposals, languages. It wasn't me or any individual
>that doomed its fate - it was its own nature, and intrinsic lack of
>cohesion.

Dear Vittorio,
this is a point where you will understand I will strongly disagree with 
you, as you may presume. There is certainly some truth in the fact that 
this hard. But I think we shown that in spite of your torpedoing it to join 
ALAC this was possible. It only died by the hands of Brother Richard :-)

IMHO we shown that we could survive the personal ambitions. We could 
survive the betrayals. We could survive the insults. We could survive the 
hi-jacking of our member's list. We could survive the rioters. We could 
actually survive everything (what is not bad), except the royal steal of 
our own name. Or may should I say that the whole world can survive 
everything but an English gentle man.

This was I believe an extraordinary experience for all of us (the "soul" as 
you say is all here) as it demonstrates what I said all along: we are in a 
namespace and the name is the flag and the issue. This was also a 
incredible waste of time as if we had reached all our objectives, being 
incorporated, having an adequate structure. May be should we have run an 
UDRP against Richard? We still lacked the $ 200.

The reason why, I believe is that @large are exactly what you describe. 
They are not a movement or an opinion. They are a people. The people of the 
Internet. With hundredth of different needs, opinions, positions, etc. They 
only want something in common, that it works. And they disagree on the way 
it should work. Some want to represent them by delegation, by competence, 
by consensus, etc. They do not care.

There is only two things they do not want: to be fooled by ICANN (what does 
not mean they are against ICANN by nature) and they do not want a king, 
even benevolent. They gathered on the first and disbanded on the second. I 
am sure that if Richard released atlarge.org to ATLARGE, we would restart 
immediately.

Would it be good and useful. I do not know for ICANN but I think it would 
for the members as the next phase is coming in: the SNHNs (small network, 
home network) representation at ITU, in consumer organization, at WSIS, so 
why not at ICANN? I say why not ICANN because I am not sure ICANN will be 
much involved: ICANN is legacy, interested in managing Jon Postel legacy. 
What we discuss is not legacy:

- multinlingual internet
- e-regalian services and national surety and trust
- handles, ONS, private alias, RFID
- universal IPv6
- local Internet Exchanges
- reliable services
- NGN
- e-human rights

ICANN will be useful to phase-out Internet SPs while IntelligentSPs will 
take over. It will be useful to phase out the current TLDs approach without 
hurting them and the users and the web too much.

If we cannot get the atlarge.org which is the only name/flag which 
identifies ourselves, the atlarge people will probably individually flock 
to the ITU. But History will remember Richard as the one who killed us all 
("I, King Richard, will handle the atlarge.org name to the ones who will 
have proven to me they truly represent the atlarge").

God forgive you, dear Richard, and bless all the others !
jfc