Return-Path: Received: from murder ([unix socket]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Cyrus v2.2.8-Mandrake-RPM-2.2.8-4.2.101mdk) with LMTPA; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 02:44:50 +0200 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 873B061B50 for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 02:44:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05797-05 for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 02:44:48 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.4.8 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF3661B4A for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 02:44:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DP8kP-0005pF-Fy; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 20:43:49 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DP8kO-0005p5-Pz for ltru@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 20:43:48 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA19477 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 20:43:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from montage.altserver.com ([63.247.74.122]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DP8w5-0005rG-4K for ltru@ietf.org; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 20:55:54 -0400 Received: from lns-p19-4-idf-82-65-248-117.adsl.proxad.net ([82.65.248.117] helo=jfc.afrac.org) by montage.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1DP8kF-0002MJ-VK for ltru@ietf.org; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:43:40 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050423010220.03f44690@mail.jefsey.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 02:43:31 +0200 To: "ltru Working Group" From: "JFC (Jefsey) Morfin" Subject: RE: [Ltru] Support of JAVA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jefsey.com X-Scan-Signature: 39bd8f8cbb76cae18b7e23f7cf6b2b9f Cc: X-BeenThere: ltru@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ltru-bounces@lists.ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@lists.ietf.org X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at alvestrand.no On 16:48 22/04/2005, Peter Constable said: >I think this is not a concern for us. Dear Peter, this WG results from the lack of consensus during two Last Calls. The main objection during that Last Call is the refusal of the authors to consider that the Internet may include other needs than the XML, HTML and CLDR need. 1. The HTML needs have not been discussed. I do know any problem but I am not an HTML expert. 2. The CLDR needs have never been discussed, in spite of my questions. 3. The XML needs have been fully described as resulting from a lack of foreseeing (exansibility) and propositions have been made. This does not addresses the other needs which up to now have been denied (DNS, LDAP, ONES, CRC, etc.) >In just the same way, I think this Java issue is just that: an issue for >Java to deal with, not us. Who is "us"? Your "us" is obviously the same as mine. Mine is, scalably, every Internet user, every internet protocol, every internet application. XML, HTML, CLDR are just some of these applications as are Java, LDAP, C, DNS, ONES, CRC, .NET, etc. >I seem to recall that at some point JFC was saying that an Internet >specification for language tags should not be driven by the needs of XML. >If so (my memory may be failing me), then I'm surprised, then, that he's >bringing up this issue. I am glad you eventually heard me, even if you did not understand. IANA languages tags cannot ne driven by the needs of XML, nor Java, nor CLDR, nor DNS, etc. they must all be consistent with the Internet architecture, to be cross consistent. jfc _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru