Return-Path: Received: from murder ([unix socket]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Cyrus v2.2.8-Mandrake-RPM-2.2.8-4.2.101mdk) with LMTPA; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:52:30 +0200 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F4B61BF5; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:52:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26335-09; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:52:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AA5261B4D; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:52:24 +0200 (CEST) X-Original-To: ietf-languages@alvestrand.no Delivered-To: ietf-languages@alvestrand.no Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3987261B48 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:52:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26335-07 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:52:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from montage.altserver.com (unknown [63.247.76.195]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D7C61AF5 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:52:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from if12m5-235.d4.club-internet.fr ([212.195.66.235] helo=jfc.afrac.org) by montage.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1DMRF2-00057w-SJ; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 06:52:17 -0700 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050415150942.038ba9e0@mail.jefsey.com> X-Sender: jefsey+jefsey.com@mail.jefsey.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:21:08 +0200 To: "Sean M. Burke" From: "JFC (Jefsey) Morfin" In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050316205924.02a5d8f0@mailstore.pobox.com> References: <20050315110003.5AC5961BF4@eikenes.alvestrand.no> <0f3301c529f3$8e2f8d80$030aa8c0@DEWELL> <42380898.1030905@ics.forth.gr> <6.1.2.0.2.20050316122704.04603bb0@mail.jefsey.com> <42383C63.5030508@ics.forth.gr> <20050316184952.GC2631@skunk.reutershealth.com> <6.2.1.2.2.20050316205924.02a5d8f0@mailstore.pobox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - alvestrand.no X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jefsey.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at alvestrand.no Cc: ietf-languages@alvestrand.no Subject: Re: Distinguishing Greek and Greek X-BeenThere: ietf-languages@alvestrand.no X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Language tag discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no Errors-To: ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at alvestrand.no On 08:04 17/03/2005, Sean M. Burke said: >At 09:49 AM 2005-03-16, John Cowan wrote: >>The appropriate icon for a language is the name of the language expressed >>in the script of the language: "English", "Deutsch", etc. Those who >>cannot read this word have no use for the text it links to. > >I emerge from my somnolence only to agree with you, and then to disappear. > >(Your point is particularly timely as I have just been dealing with >someone who thinks that to localize a system to X languages, you have to >localize all the system's messages including the language-name choices, so >that there is an X**2 increase. Because, of course, if you are localizing >to Hopi and Malay, you MUST have the Malay word for Hopi, and the Hopi >word for Malay.) I can only admire this kind of internationalization certitudes. Let get real, please. ISO 639-3 pet idea is reference name in any language, who care ... hmm! if in English ... or autonyms (autonym for French being ... "french"). Where do you find the terms? Not really multitechnology: there are people here keeping reminding that most languages are not written. This is why you need an icon for them. By the way, if some of the es-ican experts had consulted ISO 7000 they would know that icons are something more complex than a single short sentence. Also, if you know about this thing named "laws", etc. Unicode experience shows that in spite of very efforts there are errors, which must be addressed. Then there are variations in names, etc. I would guess that a X^2 is a very conservative figure. As for every project multiply by pi. jfc >-- >Sean M. Burke http://search.cpan.org/~sburke/ >_______________________________________________ >Ietf-languages mailing list >Ietf-languages@alvestrand.no >http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/ietf-languages > _______________________________________________ Ietf-languages mailing list Ietf-languages@alvestrand.no http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/ietf-languages