Return-Path: Received: from murder ([unix socket]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Cyrus v2.2.8-Mandrake-RPM-2.2.8-4.2.101mdk) with LMTPA; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:20:55 +0200 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94A161B46 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:20:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03828-01 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:20:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C8161B44 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:20:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DM4zJ-0006RK-Tz; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:06:33 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DM4zG-0006QW-GH for ietf@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:06:30 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA14725 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [63.247.76.195] (helo=montage.altserver.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DM598-0000XU-CV for ietf@ietf.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:16:42 -0400 Received: from if12m5-235.d4.club-internet.fr ([212.195.66.235] helo=jfc.afrac.org) by montage.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1DM4z3-00040f-Pv; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 07:06:18 -0700 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050414155651.0450cb10@mail.jefsey.com> X-Sender: jefsey+jefsey.com@mail.jefsey.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:04:53 +0200 To: "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" , "Frank Ellermann" , From: "JFC (Jefsey) Morfin" In-Reply-To: <198A730C2044DE4A96749D13E167AD37250194@MOU1WNEXMB04.vcorp. ad.vrsn.com> References: <198A730C2044DE4A96749D13E167AD37250194@MOU1WNEXMB04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jefsey.com X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Cc: Subject: RE: Voting (again) X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF-Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ietf-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ietf-bounces@ietf.org X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at alvestrand.no At 07:05 14/04/2005, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: >Negotiating at the IESG level also means that in the case where there is >an honest disagreement between the lawyers over what the law is it is >possible to bring in outside expertise. There are two levels I feel. The attribution/acknowledgment of rights and real life. This is not because a patent engineer has agreed to patent something by the laws of one State over 192 that everyone in the world must be blocked. Patents laws foresee in general that Defense has a preemptive right. Common network interests should have the same right. But this is something which cannot be discussed by IESG/ICANN when IPR holders are represented. This is not what an ISOC department can impose. This is in the range of the WSIS. This is why the IETF not being present in the WGIG was en error. In fact an abdication, I am afraid. jfc _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf