Return-Path: Received: from murder ([unix socket]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Cyrus v2.2.8-Mandrake-RPM-2.2.8-4.2.101mdk) with LMTPA; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:09:08 +0200 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E9161B46 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:09:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03638-10 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:09:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5342B61B44 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:09:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DM4zH-0006R9-G1; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:06:31 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DM4zG-0006QX-H3 for ltru@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:06:30 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA14723 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [63.247.76.195] (helo=montage.altserver.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DM598-0000XT-8U for ltru@ietf.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:16:42 -0400 Received: from if12m5-235.d4.club-internet.fr ([212.195.66.235] helo=jfc.afrac.org) by montage.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1DM4z0-00040f-Gf; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 07:06:15 -0700 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050414112729.03f3ea90@mail.jefsey.com> X-Sender: jefsey+jefsey.com@mail.jefsey.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:05:51 +0200 To: John Cowan , Frank Ellermann From: "JFC (Jefsey) Morfin" Subject: Re: [Ltru] Default script sine qua non (was: Moving Forward) In-Reply-To: <20050414032624.GB835@ccil.org> References: <20050412211520.IOVS2135.mta2.adelphia.net@megatron.ietf.org> <008a01c53ff1$5f473ea0$030aa8c0@DEWELL> <425CC58D.5DA@xyzzy.claranet.de> <20050413141218.GC9774@skunk.reutershealth.com> <425DB5BA.BC9@xyzzy.claranet.de> <20050414032624.GB835@ccil.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jefsey.com X-Scan-Signature: 21c69d3cfc2dd19218717dbe1d974352 Cc: ltru@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ltru@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ltru-bounces@lists.ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@lists.ietf.org X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at alvestrand.no At 05:26 14/04/2005, John Cowan wrote: >Frank Ellermann scripsit: > > John Cowan wrote: > > > > > Obscure languages are probably only written in one script, > > > and don't need Associated_Script. > > > > Yes, that was my point, Associated_Script doesn't help to find > > the default script for any language I don't know. The absence > > of Associated_Scripts (plural) only means "there is a default > > script, but we don't tell you what it is" => FUBAR, I need > > exactly the opposite info. > >For what purpose? The registry isn't supposed to be a general >compendium of information on languages The registry to be of use and to stay is to be a root file on languages. This can be achieved in two ways: - either the discussed IANA file is the Internet language root file. I do not push for that because this makes the cost to be beared by TLDs and the financial and political stability of the project is not warranted. - or the discussed registry is an RFC that can be used as a language root file by language compendia. I favor that approach because this means that the work is assumed by an IETF WG, can be taken back/completed by any specialised international body, etc. and has an operational cost extremely limited. Any other way brings not enough added value over ISO existing langtag, scriptag, countrytag, that non one will really pay attention to it. The XML patch will be carried otherwise (there will be the W3C XML, the M$ XML, etc. if needed - do not forget that the W3C is not an open structure as is IETF). >(and I repeat, most languages have no script because they aren't written). We are talking of a standard, not of news paper. As soon as a language is in the list, this becomes accidental because anyone you do not know may decide to make it written or may already have. jfc ps. I thank you for having reduced the risks of harm for my organization in changing your mail. _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru