Return-Path: Received: from murder ([unix socket]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Cyrus v2.2.8-Mandrake-RPM-2.2.8-4.2.101mdk) with LMTPA; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 04:22:01 +0200 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABFD461BB5 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 04:21:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09221-02 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 04:21:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id B81AB61B9C for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 04:21:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DLXUx-00014X-QY; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:20:59 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DLX4j-0004Ej-Ec for ltru@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:53:53 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA04265 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:53:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [63.247.76.195] (helo=montage.altserver.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DLXEQ-0007At-Gy for ltru@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:03:54 -0400 Received: from lns-p19-1-idf-82-251-69-49.adsl.proxad.net ([82.251.69.49] helo=jfc.afrac.org) by montage.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1DLRE4-0001vZ-5s for ltru@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:39:08 -0700 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050412213834.0556d7f0@pop.online.fr> X-Sender: jefsey@pop.online.fr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:38:49 +0200 To: "ltru Working Group" From: Jefsey Morfin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - online.fr X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:20:59 -0400 Cc: Subject: [Ltru] IANA update trough RFC X-BeenThere: ltru@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ltru-bounces@lists.ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@lists.ietf.org X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at alvestrand.no from a recent qui pro quo with Michael Everson resulted in an idea which may have some worth. I suggested Michael to come in here to jointly support the idea, also with his experience. I regret he refused because I think the idea interesting. We are discussing of first version of the "registry" to be loaded by the IANA and we experiment delays up to 6 months by the IANA. We also need to find a dissemination way which does not drain to much on the Internet public common resources. We have not discussed some of the Charter questions the idea, IMHO, could make easier to address. The idea use the present IETF WG and to transfer it under the Chairmanship of Michael (IESG assigned reviewer(s)) once the RFC published. - the WG-LTRU would be permanent - it would issue a yearly RFC which would be the language registry (the format to discuss) - this RFC would follow a Draft which would be updated every month by the WG. - the reference to the RFC would give the yearly reference. - the standard IETF (AD, Chairs, Charter, Last Calls,etc) Internet standard process would apply. A Draft is valid for 6 months. Drafts have a well established track. This would both match the IANA delay (6 months) and is acceptable as a normative document because this is a BCP (which describes a de facto practice). This would leave full control of the IESG over the evolution of the registry through the yearly review of the WG Charter and would permit to keep the format updated to the various applications demands. It would permit a permanent cooperation with other Application Area propositions/WGs (like OPES). The interest is also that an RFC includes the Security, IANA, etc consideration parts, permitting to easily document/maintain these aspects and is covered by the ISOC/IETF Intellectual Property Rights. Another advantage is that this would make langtags a standard IETF process without special procedures. The Internet standard process considers the case of lack of network expertise in a specialized WG and the assistance to provide to its Chairs. The load on IANA should be very reduced, due to the permitted stability of the RFC process, numerous replication servers, habit of developers, etc. This would certainly encourage the proposition of value added services on top of the yearly RFC/Draft publication. The addition of language names in different languages could then easily result from additional BPC. jfc _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru