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Thank you for this synthesis.

On 11:23 12/04/2005, L.Gillam said:
>I would consider that these systems provide validation for each other and 
>in combination are a very good basis for informed theoretical discussion 
>and practical application. Perhaps I'm slightly biased!

No. But remember that "these systems" only "provide validations for each 
other". And that only users provide validation for all of them.

>Of course, this doesn't answer the "show us" requirement, and we do need 
>to pull everything together fairly soon. Perhaps we should be posting to 
>this list a bit less frequently!

This list is highly educative of what usage has to address in this area. 
Here as every where else the transition from centralised to distributed 
formulas, from dominance, to governance to intergovernance. A very general 
and common situation.

On 10:26 12/04/2005, L.Gillam said:
>Who's going to pay for all these items to be translated into the variety 
>of languages? Who is going to maintain all the servers, code lists and so
>forth, and deal with all those hits?

This is strange enough. One of my main motivation is that we (Internet 
Community) have _not_ the money for the considered IANA system - unless 
losing sovereignty, control, surety of usage for our own communities. I 
consider from 27 years daily experience in this area that the project does 
not operationnaly stand.. Covering the costs, developping the generic 
solutions, co-maintaining the data is precisely the target. How do you 
think INTL files are daily maintained? Because solutions and costs are to 
be trimmed from the very first idea of a system. What is not the case here. 
Yet.

There is a huge difference between discussing a table and managing a 
reference source, efficiently, at low cost, motivating partners months over 
years.

>Your opposition simply is not scalable - you're insisting on developing 
>nations with small finances making budgetary decisions that may not be in 
>their best interests.

I have some difficulty in understanding this. You are precisely using my 
arguments and my position to oppose me. This is quite interesting. My point 
is to permit. Permit do not impose. Your point seems to forbid. Forbidding 
imposes.

jfc


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