Return-Path: Received: from murder ([unix socket]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Cyrus v2.2.8-Mandrake-RPM-2.2.8-4.2.101mdk) with LMTPA; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 03:01:51 +0200 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74A4961B55 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 03:01:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12941-04 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 03:01:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id B386F61B49 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 03:01:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DL9ll-00070b-Vg; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:00:46 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DL9lk-00070S-Kz for ltru@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:00:44 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA18441 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [63.247.76.195] (helo=montage.altserver.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DL9vD-0006Mn-NK for ltru@ietf.org; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:10:32 -0400 Received: from lns-p19-8-idf-82-249-21-108.adsl.proxad.net ([82.249.21.108] helo=jfc.afrac.org) by montage.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1DL9lh-0005wv-U1; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 18:00:42 -0700 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050412014332.0309ceb0@mail.jefsey.com> X-Sender: jefsey+jefsey.com@mail.jefsey.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 03:00:22 +0200 To: "Debbie Garside" , "'Randy Presuhn'" , From: "JFC (Jefsey) Morfin" Subject: RE: [Ltru] [psg.com #882] registry should copy non-English fieldsfrom ISO documents In-Reply-To: <200504112220.j3BMK84I004532@smtp-los03.proxy.aol.com> References: <011a01c53ee2$4a1a5d60$7f1afea9@oemcomputer> <200504112220.j3BMK84I004532@smtp-los03.proxy.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jefsey.com X-Scan-Signature: 52e1467c2184c31006318542db5614d5 Cc: X-BeenThere: ltru@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ltru-bounces@lists.ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@lists.ietf.org X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at alvestrand.no At 00:20 12/04/2005, Debbie Garside wrote: > > 3) In those cases where a French name for a language is available from > > the ISO documents, the remaining question is whether it should be > > included in the same field as the reference name, using some kind of > > delimiter, or given a field of its own. Based on the technical arguments > > so far, I believe the preference would be to use a separate field to hold >the French name, when available, for a language. > >This is how it is currently held within the -6. OK. > > Note that this resolution would NOT entail translating entries for which > > French translations are not already present in the ISO documents, nor > >would it require a registrant to obtain a French name for a language, nor > >should it be in any way understood as constraining the names displayed by > >implementations or used by users. > > > > Would this be an acceptable statement of rough consensus? > >For me... Yes I am sorry, I can only repeat this a definitive blocking opposition for me. For the reasons I gave several times. However once the principle of dual language (at least) naming necessity is established, practical arrangements can be quite flexible. 1. if an Englist or French (or other languages to be added) name for a language is missing, it will be accepted as non fully documented until a name is provided (a IANA procedure and Reviewer will have to be designated). 2. the same IANA registration could only be entered in English or French. It will be up to the French/English Reviewer to make sure the name in the missing language(s) is provided. jfc _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru