Return-Path: Received: from murder ([unix socket]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Cyrus v2.2.8-Mandrake-RPM-2.2.8-4.2.101mdk) with LMTPA; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 00:12:16 +0200 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66A0661B49 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 00:12:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11585-04 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 00:12:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F7D661AF1 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 00:12:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DL75s-00010e-Vm; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 18:09:20 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DL75j-0000zh-7P for ltru@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 18:09:11 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA06328 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 18:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [63.247.76.195] (helo=montage.altserver.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DL7FB-0001xW-N7 for ltru@ietf.org; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 18:18:57 -0400 Received: from lns-p19-8-idf-82-249-21-108.adsl.proxad.net ([82.249.21.108] helo=jfc.afrac.org) by montage.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1DL75h-0001up-Nu; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:09:10 -0700 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050411222843.02f8a280@mail.jefsey.com> X-Sender: jefsey+jefsey.com@mail.jefsey.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:48:04 +0200 To: "Randy Presuhn" , "LTRU Working Group" From: "JFC (Jefsey) Morfin" Subject: Re: [Ltru] Compatibility with existing use (LDAP) In-Reply-To: <010201c53ece$4b970260$7f1afea9@oemcomputer> References: <010201c53ece$4b970260$7f1afea9@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jefsey.com X-Scan-Signature: 69a74e02bbee44ab4f8eafdbcedd94a1 Cc: X-BeenThere: ltru@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ltru-bounces@lists.ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@lists.ietf.org X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at alvestrand.no At 21:40 11/04/2005, Randy Presuhn wrote: >That's why I'm suggesting that language, script, and orthography be >handled as *three* attributes. Agreed. > > If that idea is to be considered at all, then it requires written-form > > tags that involve more than just an ISO 15924 ID. > >Agreed. Agreed. > > But then you have a > > significant usability problem: should my current en-GB content be tagged > >(alternatives elided) > > > This scheme requires far more user guidance than what is currently > > proposed, and more than is feasible: it requires telling them how to > > judge e.g. whether a country distinction reflects a distinction in > > language variety, a distinction in written form, or both. >... The whole question of this WG. Is it "user guidance" or "user's guidance". Is a language a way people claiming to speak that language MUST speak, or is a language the first societal contract among people the relations assistance tools and services MUST support? Your use of "orthography" is interesting to replace (?), complete (?) ISO 3166. Is this a way to consider a geopolitical reference through a common orthography (as taught in school?). jfc _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru