Return-Path: Received: from murder ([unix socket]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Cyrus v2.2.8-Mandrake-RPM-2.2.8-4.2.101mdk) with LMTPA; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:47:00 +0200 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92C4B61AFB for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:47:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04941-07 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:46:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD42F61AF1 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:46:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DKyEc-00016z-71; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:41:46 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DKyEP-00015D-Ba for ltru@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:41:33 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA09927 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [63.247.76.195] (helo=montage.altserver.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DKyNd-0006uJ-RI for ltru@ietf.org; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:51:07 -0400 Received: from lns-p19-1-idf-82-251-94-206.adsl.proxad.net ([82.251.94.206] helo=jfc.afrac.org) by montage.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1DKyEE-0006gq-UX for ltru@ietf.org; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 05:41:23 -0700 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050411140509.030922f0@mail.jefsey.com> X-Sender: jefsey+jefsey.com@mail.jefsey.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:25:52 +0200 To: ltru From: "JFC (Jefsey) Morfin" Subject: RE: [Ltru] language or price tag ? In-Reply-To: <4A7C6FA2AB31194E80E13FE585F6A21292A2FE@EVS-EC1-NODE1.surre y.ac.uk> References: <4A7C6FA2AB31194E80E13FE585F6A21292A2FE@EVS-EC1-NODE1.surrey.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jefsey.com X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Cc: X-BeenThere: ltru@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ltru-bounces@lists.ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@lists.ietf.org X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at alvestrand.no At 12:37 11/04/2005, L.Gillam wrote: > > Talking about "short" alphanumeric language tags to describe the > extreme variety of the real human world _IS_ rebuilding the world. > >No. There is a difference between "rebuilding the world" and representing >what is perceived by many to exist in the world. You cannot physically put >a brick into a database - you should be able to prove this to yourself >using a short physical experiment. As you will discover, you can only put >representatives of the brick into the database. > >Your statement you seem to dismiss every single classification system known. Objecting for the fun of it is usually of no real use to a debate, but sometimes brings some humour. Experience shows that usually humour results from a brillant mental twist after having well understood the adversary position and challenging his own IQ. Here it seems you failed to see I say the unreality of the rebuilt world results from the underlined "short", not from the representation paradigm. A system where 350 millions of English speaking American, 56 English speaking Pitcairn Islanders and the single may be English speaking Pinguin from Kergelen benefit from the same level of unique geopolitical subtag, seems a representation of languages at odds wiht the real world. But may be we are from different planets? You see, I can only repeat the old say "not all RFC make a standard", because standards call for proven applications to the market. Here we are supposed to document a Best Common (therefore existing) Practice. jfc _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru