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At 20:02 10/04/2005, Doug Ewell wrote:
>JFC (Jefsey) Morfin <jefsey at jefsey dot com> wrote:
> > Our charter is not to rebuild the world (as some seems to want it)
>I would like to ask that these baseless insinuations about world
>domination come to an immediate end.  We're talking about short
>alphanumeric language tags.

shhhhh... this becomes tiring. But I will try another time to kindly try to 
make you understand from your own words. Talking about "short" alphanumeric 
language tags to describe the extreme variety of the real human world _IS_ 
rebuilding the world.

>I will also point out, for the record, that I will not entertain any
>claims, public or private, that opponents of the draft speak for
>"billions" of users while the proponents speak only for themselves.

Your personal priviledge.

>Besides the outlandish numerical hyperbole, the Chair has already stated
>that participation in the IETF is by individuals, not representatives.

We all are here because we are competent in some areas. I am probably one 
of the few involved in users and language oriented open and non commercial 
organizations and working groups, with forecasts or decisions having turned 
to be proven by the networks last three decades.

I suggest that you ask the authors to remove the name of their organization 
from the headers of their RFCs. I understand some of your concerns and your 
irritation at facing the difficulty to obtain a market consensus before 
proposing a WG Draft. We all face this problem. Fighting one another cannot 
help. If there is no consensus between twenty, it is unlikely there is one 
between billions.
jfc






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